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Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 36 (view)
Men, I need your insight! Please!
Posted: 5/15/2016 5:27:24 AM
Because this is a free site and there is little time that needs to be invested to create a profile, you get all sorts of riff-raff here. I would suggest you turn on your bs filter to the highest settings here and ignore the one word intros (and I include "what 'sup" to fall under that category).

You can tell the difference between a serious intro and either a half-hearted attempt, or a form letter. The latter is every harder to detect, because it may have some quantity to the introduction, but it will have little to no detail to your profile because it is sent out to dozens or hundreds of people.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 3194 (view)
Trump for President
Posted: 5/15/2016 5:15:05 AM
The saddest thing in all this is how far he has gotten. You may have all the money in the world but without the support of voters and delegates, it is meaningless. That means some of the United States has turned into an ignorant, hateful place. Or maybe it always existed here and it just moved out of the shadows intothe daylight.

This and the war between centrist left and the religious right over women's health and LGBT issues. I feel that the USA is at a crossroads and 2016 and 2017 will be years that will leave a long lasting mark on US' perception in the world for a decade or more.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 166 (view)
Why did you choose Plenty of Fish? Thoughts on other Dating Sites?
Posted: 5/15/2016 5:01:12 AM
Because its free, but the truth is that I am not digging the pool that I am swimming in here. I leave my profile here for the forums. POF is not really big in KC because the other site I am on, which is OK CUPID, has a lot more compatible people, more contact and I'll be honest here, more women who I find attractive. I tried tinder but that has turned into a spam site with people selling porn and chat services that I have disabled my account there.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 222 (view)
Women that compare their height to mens while wearing high heels.
Posted: 5/15/2016 4:48:14 AM
@letitialegrande. A bar is more real of an atmosphere than a dating site, where all you see are some pictures and a sentence or two and are judged based on that. The truth is women (and men I'm sure) on dating sites are often different that what they are in real life because they show an optimized self, usually from years gone by. And at bars, even though you may start with the eyes, it quickly works or doesn't based on more qualitative features such as the what you say and how you present yourself.

Alcohol isn't a perception skewer, if you drink modestly, it can be a door opener. Most women I meet at bars aren't wasted out of their minds, nor am I. If you arent attractive when I'm sober, it doesn't change when I'm drunk because I meet to date, not for a one night stand.

And most men don't judge women over 3 to 4 kilos because most men cant tell the difference between a woman who is 45 kg or 48kg. But women can sure tell the difference between 5 foot 6 and 5 foot 9 because most women I've met would prefer to be with a man who is taller if all they have is a profile on a computer to go by.

And why would I get off dating sites? Just because my preference and what I've succeeded at, has happened more in the real world, doesn't mean I am not going to stop advertising myself to the desired audience as much as I can.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 62 (view)
POF is Single Mother HQs
Posted: 5/12/2016 5:15:03 AM
I'm curious, I think you can filter your search by age and distance, can you filter people by other ways?
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 196 (view)
pof is just a waste of time
Posted: 5/10/2016 10:06:35 PM
While I don't agree with the hooker stuff, I will reluctantly agree with the OP in the sense that I had a whole lot more luck meeting women in the real world than I have on POF. I guess I excel more in the live moments and don't give good "profile".

I won't go as far as to make an assumption whether a POF woman is different than a woman I meet in the real world (believe it or not, I've never randomly met a woman out there who was on pof), I'll just assume I have bad karma on this site.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 49 (view)
DC vs Marvel?
Posted: 5/10/2016 9:54:45 PM
Until Captain America: Civil war... I was a DC guy. Now, its a tie.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 16 (view)
The I-don't-need-someone-to-'care'-for-me profile
Posted: 5/10/2016 9:48:10 PM
Dreamon4u: interesting on how sick and tired you are of men who portray an outdated image of women, with a stereotypical, outdated view of Asian women.

Let me tell you a little secret. Asian women are leading the career charge that most women would envy. They are the engineers, scientists and financiers in our economy and are outpacing most other women on a per capita basis.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 82 (view)
Found dead, eaten by cats
Posted: 5/10/2016 9:34:44 PM
I worried about this for my mom. She lives alone, has parkinsons and has no immediate family. My brother and I live in another country. I called her everyday because she had developed depression and anxiety, while becoming less mobile everyday. While this is the opposite of OP fears, it is also the concern of the child as well.

In canada, where she lives, we couldn't afford a private nursing home with the support she needed. We were extremely relieved when she got into long term care. It was like a 500 lb weight was lifted.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 239 (view)
A man and his car...
Posted: 5/10/2016 9:21:17 PM
I drive a 10 year old beater and a high performance sports car.....what does that make me? Other than bipolar.....
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 14 (view)
Why do I get rejected by women all the time in New York ?
Posted: 5/10/2016 9:18:08 PM
Great. I maybe moving to nyc/hoboken by the end of summer.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 153 (view)
Women that compare their height to mens while wearing high heels.
Posted: 5/31/2015 4:35:45 AM
I find it interesting that 3 to 4 inches can stand between attractive and not attractive. Thats why I prefer the bars to pof, there its often about the qualitative, not the quantitative.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 51 (view)
single and over 30 do people still go for looks
Posted: 5/19/2015 7:32:17 AM
If you doing online dating, the truth is that looks is 95% of what you have to go on. That's why I do much better in bars, then online dating.

You don't nuance or body language, you don't user your other senses when you actually approach a woman and attempt to engage in conversation. With online sites, you get a controlled series of photos (or should be controlled in my opinion), scripted text (or lack of it) and some basic profile information.

No one wonder people go by looks, it's all they seem to have to go by.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 1 (view)
Obama's call for a Conversation around race relations (and the police)
Posted: 12/2/2014 7:39:15 AM
I think it's bunk. Obama, like all politicians, don't want to have a conversation, they aren't having one with the gun control issue. All politicians want to do is put their face in front of the cameras and please their base with the notion that they are doing something.

The truth is that the Micheal Brown story isn't the issue, the issue is much larger than him, or even the relationship between the Black community and Police. The shooting is the end of the story. What is more important is the beginning and the middle that leads to the end.

If you want to have an "honest" conversation, both sides need to sit down and lay out all they feel and there has to be some sort of forum where ideas and plans can be formed.
The purpose of a "Conversation" isn't to get things off your chest, it's to find a solution to a problem.

Things like Body cameras, community policing, surplus military gear isn't the conversation. It should be more like "why does many of the violent crimes happen in the inner city?"

The issues should be around The family structure, the poor government services to help the poor, lack of emphasis on education, drug addiction.

The conversations need to be non-judgmental, two-way and moderated by someone who can help frame a project to alleviate the situation.

While I have libertarian leanings, I found that the two people's views I agreed with were liberals. One is Pharell Williams (the singer) and the other was David Brooks of the NY Times.

Here is some quotes from Meet the Press:


Listen, we all have to have a new social compact on this. Whites especially have to acknowledge the legacy of racism and have to go the extra yard to show respect, understand how differently whites and blacks see some of these police issues. And whites can't just say, "Does this look right to me?" But, "Does this look trustworthy in the African American community?"

That has to be the standard. At the same time, we have to understand that we're no longer in the civil rights era. This is not a question of good versus evil, right versus wrong. Racial inequality has become entangled in all sorts of domestic problems of disappearing jobs, family structure, and this is mostly a question of good-intentioned people trying to do the best they can with very naughty social problems, which now overlap with racial problems.

DAVID BROOKS (on the Obama's call for a "conversation"):

Yeah, I really don't believe in the conversation about race. If we're going to be friends, we don't sit around saying, "Oh, we're such great friends, let's talk about our friendship." We don't need a conversation, we need a project. And a friendship is about s omething else. It's outward looking. So the project has to be about social mobility.

It's about early childhood education, all the things that failed Michael Brown. Family formation, jobs, if we have a common project about the Harlem Children's Zone, about KIPP schools, then we'll have something to do together. And that will unite us obliquely.

CHUCK TODD (referring to Pharrell Williams):

You know, Professor Ogletree, it was interesting, Pharrell Williams, who's got that song that we all love, Happy, he said something in a interview with Ebony when he said, he was talking about Michael Brown. And he said this, "It looked very bullyish. That in itself I had a problem with. Not with the kid, but with whatever happened in his life for him to arrive at a place where that behavior is okay."

Why aren't we talking about that? Are focusing on the wrong part of this conversation? We're talking law enforcement and the relationship between the black community and the law enforcement community, when we obviously had a breakdown somewhere in Michael Brown's life.

I found that little snippet from a show I'm not a huge fan off to be a revelation and the GROUND FLOOR to getting this "conversation" started.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 116 (view)
Shocking mistake in Darren Wilson grand jury
Posted: 12/2/2014 6:47:39 AM
"They have freedom of rights speech just like you".

Except if they say anything against the NFL, then all hell breaks loose...;)
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 1 (view)
Here's a suggestion for the dating site (not for the forum)
Posted: 11/30/2014 6:41:44 AM
Since many women dont like to be the first to send messages out, maybe incorporate a wink or flirt key so they can inform/encourage us clueless men to make the first move? Would save many guys from sending out the same form letter over and over again lol.../sarcasm.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 28 (view)
Looking way younger than 30
Posted: 11/30/2014 6:22:56 AM
I get the same op. I'm 42, but the way I act and dress (work in a very creative field in a very casual industry) I often get overlooked by women my own age because they say I look younger (read: immature?).
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 37 (view)
Thanksgiving it!
Posted: 11/30/2014 6:15:07 AM
I did it alone this year (had a friendsgiving the night before at a local bar). If i didn't need to buy a new computer this year, i was thinking of doing a self road trip from KC to Tampa to meet some newlywed friends.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 13 (view)
Is college worth it?
Posted: 11/30/2014 6:10:23 AM
Yes, but not for a general degree (psychology degrees are basically useless and expensive), and unless your family were the top 1%, I would go state, do a year or two of junior college and live at home if u can. Plus get a part time job.

Too many kids want "the college experience" which often means punishing debt for the kid and parent(s).

If college isnt for you, I would consider the trades, but some form of post-secondary education is important for 99% of people, unless you have something solid lined up (and I'm not talking about a retail job).

Countless macro studies show huge differences in lifetime earnings between a person with HS vs post secondary. There is nearly a 100% correlation with education and higher wages.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 343 (view)
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
Posted: 11/30/2014 5:58:28 AM
^ true. Also curious to know what some of these "big words" are just to see if I would pass the test myself.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 227 (view)
Dating without physical attraction
Posted: 11/30/2014 5:41:11 AM
While I think attraction is required, I do think that attraction is a personal choice, not a universal standard. People discover attractiveness with their eyes and mind, which in turn, charges up the heart. Thats why couples who have been happily married to each other for decades still find each other attractive, even though thir faces have aged and their bodies have softened.

Without attraction, its friendship.
without a mind and body connection, its an affair.

You need all three components to find love.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 48 (view)
Tinder app
Posted: 11/30/2014 5:29:30 AM
"I don't think Tinder is that much different than POF. Yes a person needs to swipe at the pictures they like in order to find potential matches. But after that, they may not be active on Tinder for a while or they will delete a match when they find other matches with people that (s)he considers to be more attractive."

The one difference is that on tinder, at least you know that there is an interest before u start communicating (you know, like in real life). A lot of women in profiles I've read on POF, wont even look at men's profiles unless communicated to and they like what they see/read. Almost like a job applicatiom

I would love to see (maybe it already exists and I didnt see it) is a wink or flirt button women could send to guys they are interested in. Sometimes we need a clue before making the first move.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 53 (view)
Women in their 30's not having time for men
Posted: 11/30/2014 5:22:01 AM
Its because, with the great recession, more and more women are the breadwinners in the family(even though there is STILL a wage gap).

What I noticed (in my life and in media) is that women are becoming more like men and men more like women, as more women become more powerful in the workplace. Men are becoming portrayed more as the sensitive one (in touch with their feelings), saying "I love u" first, doing much more domestically around the house (Though not nearly as much) and taking care of the kids as more moms are out there taking care of the family financially.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 21 (view)
Age difference up or below by how much ??
Posted: 11/30/2014 5:13:21 AM
Two things for me.

Firstly, age is often a bad indicator of ones physical appearance and maturity. I'm 42 and have been told I look as young as 30, depending on what I am wearing. I am also young at heart and often my 30 year old friends can't keep up with my vigor. I met 25 year olds that look like thair 40 and vice versa.

Secondly, if I still wanted children, I wouldn't choose a woman that was 5 years older than me. And since pof seems to be a numbers game, the wider the auience, the greater chance of success.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 268 (view)
Decision On Keystone XL Pipeline Delayed
Posted: 11/26/2014 4:12:14 AM
I would think that with the price of oil at where it is now, the fact that the USA is a net exporter of oil and the cost of processing alberta oil, the point of the pipeline would not make sense at this point.

Now if Americans could build a pipeline to carry all that water in Buffalo or Washington state to water parched California, thats a project worth doing!
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 60 (view)
Same depressing story of no replies
Posted: 11/21/2014 5:37:51 AM
Op, I've done much better on tinder than on pof. For me, pof isnt the place to be, other than for the forums that is.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 43 (view)
Tinder app
Posted: 11/21/2014 5:17:31 AM
I've said in another post, I've had more success on tinder than pof. Went on three dates on four months of tinder (I'm on a fourth date scenario with one lass) and only a few on the years I've been here on pof.

Tinder is like a bar scene. When you to a bar, you don't know much of the person you may meet there, but you do see what they look like and te vibe they give off. The one thing tinder has that pof doesn't is that women have to participate and if they want something out of the site, they can't just do nothing, no matter how "hot" they are. Btw, many of the profiles I see on pof nowadays have just as much content as a tinder profile (read: one liners)

On pof, these "hot" women aren't required to do anything, they are bombarded with mail. On tinder, both have to match. On the flipside, on tinder, you are also not bombarded with mail from people you aren't intersted in.

So here is my point of view. Try it I say, it doesn't do a person harm.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 55 (view)
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 11/10/2014 3:40:02 AM
For sure on the first part op, with one caveat.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have a lot of female friends (as well as seeing this with couples on the street) where I would not see the guy as handsome, but the woman does. Women are a lot more complication lot than what most men would have u believe. For women , it isnt all what they see with their eyes, but what they hear with their ears.

Thats why I have better luck in the real world than I have here (not my looks but I have good conversationalist skills and a pretty good sense of humor).
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 51 (view)
Superficial POF Men!!! Urghh!!!
Posted: 11/10/2014 3:25:46 AM
Superficial? Yes. But out of the ordinary? No.

Your argument is your version of the argument that short guys give on not getting responses because women want guys over 6 feet tall. Or not getting a resposne because the people your are interested in dont date outside their race. Or people who post pictures when they were thinner dont get responses when they post pictures of their new, more rounded self.

It is what it is because people have preferences.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 1 (view)
can pof auto-delete forums.....
Posted: 11/10/2014 3:21:25 AM
That have no repsonse after a year or so? Not sure why pof needs to keep around a conversation that has been killed off a while ago. probably would have u save on the server space as well.

Just sayin'
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 111 (view)
Men, beware of ...
Posted: 11/10/2014 3:14:41 AM
Op, while your jokes are lame and inappropriate to people you just met, the thing that makes it even worse is the delivery. If a Robin Williams kind of a guy said that, they may get away with it, but if a guy that looked like a grumpy old man said it....well no wonder WOMEN were uncomfortable with an old guy making sexualized jokes about women.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 30 (view)
Which state will be the last to legalize gay marriage?
Posted: 11/9/2014 5:23:24 AM
Kansas...after they lose in the supreme court(and it will go all the way there), plan b is to barricade the highways and secede from the united states of america.

Missouri is not that far behind.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 333 (view)
Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 11/9/2014 5:13:22 AM
Actually its not op. I only see career politicians who care about their own power through self preservation. So whether a dem or a repub wins, it makes little impact on my life, especially my finances.

The one thing I was a little sad to see was Greg Orman losing in Kansas (where I live). I would have loved to see an independent in office.

The big problem in us politics in my opinion is that the two party system restricts choice and any semblance of finding compromise. When that changes, karma will be that.....especially for the establishment politicians.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 31 (view)
What do you think about PoF forums?
Posted: 11/9/2014 5:07:45 AM
I one thing I would like is for pof to tie this site to their dating site (especially their mobile site) to show in one's profile what they like to talk about. Not sure why I can't access it from their app. Showing what they post on pof forums would give me more insight into their (and my) persona.

And get more posters on these forums.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 357 (view)
Are you willing to relocate for LOVE? How far would you go for LOVE?
Posted: 11/9/2014 4:56:45 AM
I was asked to, and I've regretted ever since. The one woman I wanted to marry, graduated 2 years before me and got a job in Austria. Asked me to move with her and finish my education there. I was asked to take a risk and in the end told her that a two year long distance relationship (in our early 20s nonetheless) would make our bond even stronger.....well it had the opposite reaction, and by the end of the second year she was seeing someone else, I had been sporadically dating a few women and when I got a job offer to work in hong kong and seoul, south korea, it didnt seem like a hard choice.

We met each other once since our breakup, and let me tell you, the embers were still burning bright and we realized it was our immaturity and long distance that killed the relationship, not the love we had for each other. But she was married (albeit unhappily) with 2 kids and I was with a girlfriend at the time.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 19 (view)
What's the WORST way that you have ever been fired from a job?
Posted: 11/9/2014 4:43:16 AM
I was laid off from a company with a boss who was trying to praise me and trying to get off the phone as soon as possible (we work in differnt towns) at the same time. At the end she was like "any questions?.. (1 second pause), okay here's hr)

I guess it would have bothered me more if I didn't have a higher paying job already lined up and I was one day of giving my notice to my boss, who everyone in the company was surprised to see NOT get laid off, let alone fired.

Got 3 months salary and started a new job 2 weeks later. Can't complain, but was definitely awkward. Mercifully, it was only a 45 second conversation. But this was a case where I think I would've wanted an email notice, rather than a live call .... : )
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 727 (view)
Single (never married at all) men over 45
Posted: 11/9/2014 4:33:38 AM
I wonder op, if that could possibly be the case. Went out on a boys night out for a pal who just got divorced. For fun, I asked to wear his wedding ring as a joke (as I've never been married....inside joke). Kid you not, I had more flirty conversations with women than I've had in long time, so much so I actually was thinking of buying it off him!
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 58 (view)
do non Smokers get more replies than Smokers?
Posted: 11/8/2014 5:58:01 AM
As a prior smoker, If I met a woman who was a ten but smoked, I would move on. The smell, the butts that are left around, the discoloration it leaves on one's fingers, the hacking and coughing associated with it, the taste of it on a girls lips. I now frankly find it disgusting.

Quitting was the best decision I have ever made. And the truth is, I won't get a smoker to quit unless they want to, so with dating a non smoker, this never becomes an issue
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 27 (view)
Do you read profiles (fellas)?
Posted: 11/7/2014 5:14:29 AM
A profile for me is more of a confirmation to contact someone I'm already attracted to. A great profile will rarely cause me to become interested in a person I'm not attracted to.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 86 (view)
Has anyone had success on here?
Posted: 11/7/2014 5:05:21 AM
I admit,I've had alot more success on Tinder than I had on POF. The one good thing is that on Tinder, women have to actually participate actively, they cannot wait until all the offers come in. Alot of women I've talked to on pof tell me they only accept messages from men, never looking for what they want.

I find tinder to be more realistic in the dating scene in a social setting. Think about it, I go to a bar, I tend to start conversations with women who I make good eye contact with, with tinder you already have some kind of interest before you message someone. With pof, often I feel like im talking to a non responsive wall (because most women just arent interested and will never respond). Imagine going to a bar and just randomly talking to a woman who wont make eye contact, speak to you, pretend you arent there. Thats what I get with pof.

So while some people claim tinder to be a cattle call, I find it to be better because I dont spend time on people who arent interested in me.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 1 (view)
What political things makes Canada and the US much different countries?
Posted: 5/24/2014 11:18:46 AM
So a friend of mine from the Netherlands comes to North America for the first time. First, she and her husband travel to Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver, then to Seattle, LA and we meet in Miami (these Europeans and their month long holidays!).

Anyway, when we meet, they tell me that they were so surprised how different the US is to Canada. Not in the culture (obviously, living in Europe, they are used to different cultures in nearby geographic areas...Don't get me started when I asked the difference between the Dutch and the Danish!) but in how a political system can shape countries differently. They asked me what the key differences were (being a Canadian living in America).

At the time (we had been drinking more than a couple of Coronas) the answer didn't come to me easily, but now that I have a clear head and thinking about the topic, I think there are three major differences.

1. Americans see Capitalism and the Free Open Market system as a good thing. Canadians, not as much.

Canadians see complete capitalism as something that leads to inequality, to the rich getting richer and the rest getting the short end of the stick. That is why Canadians are okay with their level of regulations, the amount of taxes they pay (redistribution of wealth), forced Universal Health Care (they want that as much as Americans want guns) and have this feeling that they are all in it together.

Americans see this as something that stunts exceptional individualism, taxes are nothing but giving what hard working people make to people who may not deserve it and that the Canadian System takes away from personal responsibility (the welfare of fellow man is not the responsibility of government but personal responsibility).

Having said that:

2. Canadians see federal government as a political body that propels a society forward while Americans see federal government as something to be weary of.

American's always talk about two things (at least from the Midwest where I am from). Power should be provided to government bodies that are as local as possible (states vs Federal rights) and that people should be weary of their government (hence the second amendment which is there to "protect the people from the tyranny of their government"). Many people in the US see the Federal Government as an entity that has long overstepped its bounds. Some states even challenge the powers of the Federal government (ie: Immigration). Many people also do not take well having their taxes to pay for things that they feel could be done better by the private world because its a personal responsibility.

Canada seems like they have much more faith in Federal government than Americans. In fact, the Provincial governments (except for that in Quebec), I think are fairly weak and many people look to the federal government to be the ones shaping the social and financial future of the country. Most of the major social programs have been created and administered by Federal Government and the Canadian people (who grumble like all citizen of any country) seem to be more Federalists than Provincialists.

3. Canada's Defence stops at their borders (usually) while the US' Defence doesn't.

Canada has a modest army and is often the butt of jokes. However, Canada doesn't see itself as the policemen of the world and rarely initiates any military action, like most countries in the world. Canada doesn't see itself committing large number of troops to any conflict in the world, nor do they believe they need bases in other countries. Hence their faith in NATO as a collaborative military collective.

America outspends more in defence than the next 17 countries combined. The truth is if they were ever only look after their own borders their military would be much smaller. However, the one thing that the US Constitution requires of the Feds is that they maintain the military, and in this case it is a monster.

If you think there are other difference, I'd like to hear it. Maybe it's Canada's policy of Multiculturalism, Official Bi-lingualism, etc. I think these fall into one of the three points above, but I am just stating my opinion.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 22 (view)
anyone ever considered traveling the country as a homeless person?
Posted: 11/19/2012 5:53:58 AM
I was once considering to travel across country in beat up RV that a friend of mine owned for a year. I would stay in KOA campgrounds and trailer parks. I would live a very modest life. I would then return the RV and then backpack across the world (no planes, other than the first plane to get me to Europe and the last plane that left Asia).

There is something about that that just appeals to me.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 1 (view)
What is it about the iPhone?
Posted: 11/19/2012 5:43:49 AM
I am looking to buy a new smartphone and while I think I am certain of my choice, I am finding that many people are recommending the iPhone. Being in marketing, I would admit that I would say 70% of my friends in the industry carry one.

My question is why? IMO the iPhone 5 (and other iPhone models) is:

1. Overpriced at the $199/299/399 price point of the device.
2. Underspeced compared to other devices
3. Have a tendency to become a cracked screen device (alot of my friends have a iPhone with a cracked screen)
4. Looked nice, but the iPhone 5 I don't find all that pretty.
5. Call Quality is average, reception is less than averagte
6. The screen is small.
7. I've been told product quality isn't that much better than companies like Samsung and HTC (from Carrier friends I have).
8. Doesn't have a good Navigation feature (Which is the feature I use the most).

So, in my opinion, there is a lot of things going against it. But anyone I talk to recommends it without question. The reason I hear is that it just works really well. But the truth is, Android works really well too, as does Windows Phone (which does lack the apps though....that, and turn by turn navigation).

So my inquiry is: What is it about iPhone that are driving everyone to buy one? Is there technology inside the phone that I am missing? Is it the apps (although both iPhone and Android have hundreds of thousands of apps)? Is it the cool factor? Or is there just some je ne sais quoi? factor that I will not see until I own one?
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 265 (view)
Posted: 11/17/2012 8:01:50 AM
have it quite entertaining to find that most "vegetarians/vegans" that I meet are grossly overweight/obese. But like a friend said to me once after I commented on how shocked I was that this obese woman in our class was a vegetarian :
" there's no meat in ice cream, is there?"

BTW: Many Vegans avoid dairy as well.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 264 (view)
Posted: 11/17/2012 7:56:09 AM
"I tried the raw vegan thing for a week.. I felt great for the first few days, and then the dreams started.. by the last day I was jonesing like a crack addict for chips, ready to rip someone's head off until I got them. It was a bit scary, lol...

It's been almost a year for me on a vegetarian diet, and it pretty much chose itself. My body simply couldn't tolerate meat anymore after a month in India without it. I eat salmon/seafood on occasion when I'm craving it though. It's been quite an adjustment. Sometimes a pain in the ass to be honest, and at other times exciting to experiment with new grains/recipes, etc..

I really can't imagine being all holier than thou about what I am choosing to ingest. I mean, it's your body and you will decide what goes in it. Why would I get all parental about it? Seems weird to me. And really, if you are wanting to influence others, the best way to do so is to BE a positive example. Not get all preachy and controlling. "

I couldn't agree with you more. I find the OP post to be weird, because most Vegans/Vegetarians on on this path for their own health, not on everyone else's path. But of course, I've never met someone from PETA either, so maybe my view would change. I consider myself a Flexitarian as well but stay 95% with Fish.

Wish you well on your path.
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 263 (view)
Posted: 11/17/2012 7:52:29 AM
"Wow, you've nailed almost all of the popular fads from recent memory. Without trying to be too abrasive, you sound like a victim to me. I'm sorry to hear that you spend so much of your energy on this stuff but that is entirely your choice.

Also, having suffered a heart attack at such an early age means that you were probably counselled by nutritionists and dietitians for good reason. There are very important steps that someone in your special circumstances needs to be mindful of. Good for you for taking these proactive steps towards better health.

The point at which your efforts become the justification to judge others is where we part ways however."

Sorry, I don't get where you think I was a victim, other than being a victim of a heart attack for my poor eating habits in the first 40 years of my life. My problem was not spending enough energy on "this stuff". As for Fads, I never read a book, other than the "China Diet" which I found boring but insightful. And nor have I ever been on a diet before. I am not on a diet now, I just eat healthier.

I find it funny that you consider my eating healthier (Fish, Egg white, less fat, less white carbs, less sugar and salt and less meat (yes I do break down because I live in KC after all) a FAD, while the typical American diet of eating processed foods, fatty fast foods, high percentage of white carbs, sugar and salt is considered "Regular eating"?

As for judging others, the only jugding I see is from you. The only thing I said was show me the proof that Vegans on a macro scale are what the previous poster said they are. Prove to me that they are weaker, more frail, and that many of them are morbidly obese. The previous poster says she has this data because she worked at a co-op, but shopping at a co-op doesn't automatcially mean you are a non-meat eater. I go everyweek to a food co-op and a farmers market and I could use my observation that they all are thinner and healthier than those I see when I go to Price Chopper as well, but the fact is:

1. I don't know if these people at these places are actually Vegan/VEgeatarian or Meat Eaters.
2. I don't know if these people are actually healthy, just because you are not overweight, doesn't mean you are healthy.
3. And I don't know how often they go elsewhere and eat a 72 ounce Porterhouse.
4. Maybe ppl who go to farmer's markets are richer than those people who go to a price chopper (if they aren't like me and go to both place). Many studies have shown that Richer people have, on average, a lower BMI than a lower class person.

hence I didn't bring it up. I only gave my experience. What you do with your health is up to you. And to tell you the truth, I've never met a Vegetarian/Vegan who have "condemned the rest of the world for not following their example" as you put it. Bit of Drama in your argument, don't you say?
Joined: 8/18/2011
Msg: 262 (view)
Posted: 11/17/2012 7:37:42 AM
"your strawman arguments about macro-studies following vegetarians and vegans around like they're fundamentally superior to everyone else."

First off, I never said that looking at Macrostudies are pro-or-con to the vegetarian lifestyle. I merely represented the fact that I will never take the advice or wisdom or someone who said "All my friends are meat eaters and they are healthy and all my vegan friends are sickly" over a study that looked at 20, 30 THOUSAND member over a long period of time.

Mainly because there is often an agenda and secondly making assumptions based on a sample size of 1, 2 or 5 people is not representative.

"it's unusual to make yourself sick or malnourished on a vegetarian diet, because most vegetarians are more health conscious than other people, but it can be done. for example, weighing 280 pounds when you are a 5'7" woman is not healthy no matter how ultra-orthodox of a vegetarian you are (the "proud" vegetarian i mentioned earlier.) this is a women who was sure of everything to the point of keeping chickens in her kitchen for the winter because it was too cold for them to be outside, but she couldn't figure out why she needed a tommy lift to get in and out of her van."

Again, strawman. This woman's experience may or may not be the norm. The only thing that provides any sway with me is either a personal experience that provides context or a macrostudy that is more definitive than what happened someone else.

"just because *you* had a heart attack and went on a strict diet, that doesn't mean everybody else should give up eggs and red meat. "

I've never asked anyone to give up eggs yolks and red meat. I find your comment funny because I am a liberatarian politically. All I can do is give my experience and my results (THIS IS A FORUM AFTER ALL) and ask people to look at Macro studies when making up their mind to go Flexitarian, Pescatarian, Vegetarian, Vegan or stay a meat eater.

What I am not a fan of (but will block ridicule one's right to say it) are people who make up assumptions, make up stories, make up statistics to make a point.
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Msg: 256 (view)
Posted: 11/13/2012 8:14:33 AM
"being a vegetarian can work against you or for you depending on other factors. it's not a panacea for good health by any stretch of the imagination. i've known vegetarians who took great pride in being vegetarians but they were also morbidly obese. whoa something doesn't add up... pass the macaroni & cheese lol. i've known other vegetarians who looked frail and weak. I used to work at a food co-op just to get the discounts, and the guy who managed the place liked to crow about following a strict macrobiotic diet. but if anyone ever got around to slugging him for being such a blowhard, they would have broken his jaw."

All straw man arguments. The truth is that many people can point out a smoker who lived til 90 and never got cancer, or someone who never ate a vegetable in their lives and had perfectly good health at 40.

The way to get to the truth is to look at macro-studies following Vegetarian, Vegans and those eating a healthy diet and those eating a bad diet and compare results. If I were to pick my friends, my healthiest looking friends drink too much, smoke pot and don't eat regularly (at least they look the healthiest on the outside). But they are are all under 30, so who knows what they will look like when they are 50.

I am under 40 and have given up red meat, dairy, reduced oils and egg yolks, on top of the fact I reduced Sugar, no Soda and lowered my white carb intake. My Cholesterol is now low, my blood pressure is good and I have lost 20 pounds. Is it due to me not eating red meat? Not sure, but I am sure that my current diet is better for me than what happened to me before (I had a heart attack) I made the change.

In actuality, my diet is so good that I am reducing the number of heart health related pills I took before I had my heart attack. My only wish was not adopting this diet 10 years ago.
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Msg: 80 (view)
Are you surprised on any of the election results? Why? What are they? What do you feel are the main
Posted: 11/13/2012 8:02:55 AM
"I actually believe that many ppl are from the middle...they want fiscal responsibility...the issues arise in where to cut the budget and whether or not to raise revenue. The extreme right has many GOP legislator's hand-cuffed with the contract they signed with Grover Nordquist...The GOP is afraid the Nordquist is so powerful that any vote to raise revenue would be met with a Nordquist move to have them ostrasized out of office. The democrats aren't so far to the left...there is no contract with anyone to do anything, other than their constituent's....and it is their constituencies that hold the power for re-election or not"

I agree with you on that. That is why Bush 2 and Ronald Reagan won twice. They won the middle. No matter how stupid people thought GWB was, or how right wing the far left thought he was, he had moderate immigration policies and his tax cuts and financial failing didn't come until the end of his term. If he could have managed the housing market better (yes, with more regulations, not less regulations) as a moderate republican, people would have forgiven him on the debacle that was Iraq/Afghanistan. He would have a more popular president.

And with Reagan, while the far right love him, the far left tolerated him and those in the middle liked him. There is no candidate or incumbent that will meet our complex needs as a people, but Ronald Regaan was a President you could support, even if you believed in his policies. He was a good speaker, good hearted person and under his watch, the Soviet Union, a source of consistent worry for the past 30 years, went away. Whether he had direct impact or not, he deserved the credit.
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Msg: 74 (view)
Are you surprised on any of the election results? Why? What are they? What do you feel are the main
Posted: 11/12/2012 8:05:00 PM
I think it is simple. Romney lost because of three things.

1. He didn't defend himself. Whether true or not, Romney came off looking like a person who had no personal convictions, not only was he wishy washy and flip floppy, but his original "moderate republican" view turned very right wing when the tea party and conservatives got ahold of him. As he suddenly turned to move back to the center, it was too late. He came off looking he was promising everything to everybody and no one took him to heart. Military spending for Virginia, lower taxes for the rich, not touching social security and medicare for the elderly, turning against abortion and anti universal medicare for the conservative. Heck, he says that he even saved the car industry.

So not having convictions, the election became more about "get rid of Obama" than "Elect Romney". And with the storm, alot of the focus of the election dissapated, and those who really weren't for Romney did not show at the polls as much as should have. Alot of the loss wasn't from voters who came out and voted AGAINST Romney, but moderate Republicans who didn't show up FOR him either because there was no passion for him.

2. He catered to the Tea Party and the craziness of their candidates did him in. The truth is the race was his to lose, there are more conservatives and republicans than liberals and democrats. He was winning the undecideds after the first debate. But then he did things to satisfy those who wanted him to take a far right approach. He pandered to the people who hated the "47%". He suddenly wanted Mexican's to "Self-deport" themselves. A whole bunch of things to satisfy the far right and the people closer to the middle saw the craziness and left him. It didn't help that he had idiots like Todd Akin and Richard Murdock associated with his party, or conspiracy nuts like Michelle Bachman or pundits like Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, who are a turnoff to many thinking Americans who can vote either Red or Blue. And that leads me to the last point.

3. He seemed out of touch to most people: He comes from a pure background, his sons all are perfectly coiffed and wear white shirts and khaki's. He owns multiple houses and has the great American lifestyle. HE is a mormon, so he doesn't really swear, drink or party (opposite of the Clinton's that for sure). But that was the problem.

He came off looking like he had never had one gay friend, with the 13% taxes he paid, he sounded like he had no idea what working class families went through, his party snarkily (even many posters here) have this hatred of the President that is so deep, with their comments where they emphasize his middle name, or claim he is not from the USA, that is offputting to many moderates. His party is the party that claims they hate illegals, but seemed like they were picking on Mexicans and other Latinos. Also, many women, not only with people like Akin, were uncomfortable with Romney's seeminly 1950's views of women in the work place.

There was so much he and his party could have done, but instead polarized many of the people he was hoping to serve.

But I think that Republican's have a choice. To be more viable they need to:

1. Cast off the Tea Party. Show moderates and undecideds that those who have a hate for anyone supporting the far right has no place in their party.

2. Not make it about social issues. But if social issues take center stage, take a moderate TONE, rather than try to inflame.

3. Have a game plan and stick to it. Flip Flopping is not going to get votes from people looking for leadership.

4. Do not let pundits and contributors control the party. It is the party of Republicans, not that of the Koch Brothers or Sean Hannity. All these people do is make noise and polarize.

If Mitt Romney had been just more plain spoken and to the point, someone like a Harry Truman, he would have handily won the race because while I reject the far right notion that Obama has done great harm to the nation, I do feel he was not effective in handling this crisis, from either a policy or PR standpoint and people were actually HUNGRY for a change, for someone who could lead America out of this darkness. Romney had it for 90% of the way there, but he was hamstrung and eventually crippled by the elements of his party that are not liked by the more moderate undecideds.
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