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 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 34 (view)
What's your mantra?
Posted: 8/18/2018 4:58:48 PM
It’s a French phrase -

Comme ceci, comme cela

Shortened to -

comme ci, comme ça

It means -

Not good, not bad


So so.

The atmosphere in the restaurant was friendly, but the food was comme ci, comme ça.


How are you today?

Oh, comme ci, comme ça.

Here endeth your French lesson for today
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 79 (view)
Insanity online..
Posted: 8/15/2018 3:33:20 PM
Hostess68 (Msg68)

omg! What is this shite?

From the poster who gave us the Thread “I am suicidal”.

Lorri55 [Msg77]

Unfortunately Cowboy passed away in 2014.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 29 (view)
Dude.. you're shooting empies.
Posted: 8/14/2018 1:52:15 PM
Lorri55 (Msg26)

Great idea, Heff. I have watched from afar the last couple of nights and am not sure how to lighten the mood here.

You have got to look for the humour.

10ky [Msg8]

This is for the current post:
"Infertility isn't something to joke about..."
Unfortunately, I've found that out first hand.

‘nuff said.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 33 (view)
Posted: 6/17/2018 10:16:32 PM
To send a message to feirene you MUST meet the following criteria:

Age Between: 38 and 60.

Lives in United Kingdom

You must have a picture to contact this user.

Have you spotted the obvious yet?
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 28 (view)
I am suicidal
Posted: 6/10/2018 3:26:23 PM
Hostess 68

How would you have responded to this thread from a poster that you don’t know or have never met?

I see no point of you getting all uppity with Mike in Msg 15. He is a new poster. There is nothing in your history (in this guise) to suggest your mental state.

Who is the ‘annoying American woman’ you mention in Msg 15?

Msg 26 acrosstheplains

I would have to agree with chap.

Where are these figures from?

It is difficult to put them in context in this discussion.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 16 (view)
Dating a pair of tets
Posted: 6/10/2018 3:17:59 PM
I think everybody wants to know –

Did you get on with her guide dog?

I’ll get my coat.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 23 (view)
Posted: 6/7/2018 2:08:23 PM
Feirene Msg 21

JIVERIDER i cannot message you either. No idea why and why you can't message me.

You are 44.

Jivetalker is 59.

The age difference is 15 years.

Case solved.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 72 (view)
You couldn't make it up
Posted: 11/27/2017 6:01:45 PM
The Royal Engagement

Arlene Foster the DUP leader and (former) First Minister of Northern Ireland has tweeted her congratulations to the happy couple.

“Congratulations to HRH Prince William on his engagement to Megan Markle. Wonderful news this morning.”

She then followed this up by tweeting -

“Congratulations to HRH Prince Harry and Megan Markle on their engagement. Wonderful news this morning!”

At least she got the right Prince this time, but somebody should have mentioned that Meghan is the correct spelling of her name.

Then followed –

“Apologies to TRHs Princes William & Harry for tweet error on my account earlier. I stopped tweeting personally a long time ago. Genuine typo by a member of staff. Guilty of tweeting too fast. There goes any chance of an invite!! :-) AF”

An invite!!.......
Accusing Prince William of getting engaged while his wife is expecting their third child…..her head should be on the block!!!!

I notice that she blames a member of staff for the gaffes.

Funny enough she blamed her Civil Servants for not bringing to her attention that the RHI scheme was seriously flawed.

You really cannot get the staff these days.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 340 (view)
Posted: 6/16/2017 10:34:46 AM
Msg 338

Theresa May is negotiating with actual terrorists for their support in Parliament, with their ten seats.

Since when did the Democratic Unionist Party become ‘actual terrorists ’?
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 35 (view)
what was the last text someone sent you
Posted: 5/13/2017 5:43:48 PM
Pauline69 Msg34

Someone really needs to get rid of that 2/10

Someone needs to go out more and get a life.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 7 (view)
no response continued
Posted: 9/7/2016 1:05:57 PM
TucsonPug (Msg2)

Oh that 2 post rule drives you nuts, no wonder the forums are dead.

If you think that the forums are dead because of the 2 post rule……. I despair.

Do you not think that it might have something more to do with the fact that this is YET another
thread on the subject of getting no replies, a subject that has been DONE TO DEATH.

How long are we going to have to put up with redundant threads?
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 277 (view)
Posted: 8/14/2016 7:57:12 AM
Yule_liquor (msg 293)

Now May has stated that she will not be inacting article 50 no sooner than 2019!

You have misunderstood the article from the Times.

If the UK Government started proceedings under Article 50 in 2017, there then follows a 2 year period for negotiations before the UK can leave. This takes us up to 2019. Therefore the article states that the UK ‘could’ leave the EU in 2019, not that May will ‘enact’ Article 50 in 2019.

The article states that she will not invoke Article 50 ‘this year’.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 19 (view)
No Replies
Posted: 8/13/2016 2:29:53 AM
Musician2012 Msg 18

I am merely asking a perfectly valid question.

I merely wanted to pose the question and get other peoples thoughts on this.

It is a question that has been asked 'ad nauseam' on the UK Forums which, had you carried out a Thread Search, would have led you to the fact that you are not alone in the lack of responses.

There used to be enough serious posters on the UK Forums that this thread would have lasted little more than a couple of answers before being nuked.

Now you may find that some may wind up the OP for entertainment purposes.

Welcome to the UK Forums.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 187 (view)
Posted: 10/30/2012 11:26:30 AM
dorothea Msg 249

I've noticed a lot of the UK forums seem to be populated by the Yanks these days; it's getting a bit tiresome.

If only these pesky Yanks would read the Rules.... like wot us UK formuites do...Eh dorothea!
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 23 (view)
Savile inquiry - who do you trust?
Posted: 10/11/2012 3:41:41 PM
After the success of the London Olympic Games, I would respectfully suggest one name that stands out from the crowd…


Not Lord Sebastian Coe…

Nick Buckles…

…and his firm G4S.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 74 (view)
Abu Hamza al-Masri's health has deteriorated
Posted: 10/11/2012 3:27:12 PM
Graffiti Poet
Msg 22

If we take away Abu Hamza's rights then we forfeit our own along with it.

Some might read this that you think Abu Hamza’s rights were violated, whereas I feel most peoples would be of the opinion that the UK Government have bent over backwards to ensure that his rights under UK Law and ECHR Law were fully complied with.

I can’t therefore see why you feel Martin Niemoller’s poem is applicable (unless you don’t agree with the charges brought against him).

Just because you don't think you will ever need those protections is no reason to support their removal and just as with Gary McKinnon and some of the others who will be extradited along with Abu Hamza we should not be so eager to see British citizens sent to another country where we know they will be subjected to torture, inhuman treatment and subjected to a Kangaroo court system deviod of justice and fairness.

Do you really feel that Gary McKinnon will be subject to torture and inhumane treatment in the US?

Abu Hamza will be dealt with in a Civilian Court. I very much doubt that his Legal team will let any torture or inhumane treatment go unnoticed. The very fact that the Court case will be seen by the public (and no doubt discussed ad nauseam in the media) should satisfy even those who feel that the US Court system is a Kangaroo Court.

Msg 25

So for the next 50 years you are happy for our government and police to indiscriminately kill, maim, torture & 'disappear' anyone they feel the need too in the 'national interest'?.

Come on GP. You make the UK seem like a South American country where busloads of people were rounded up, held in a football stadium and then” disappeared”, never to be seen again. Bit over the top!

Day-trader Msg 30

Can you please advise why you feel GP [in Msg25) is wrong stating that the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU?
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 30 (view)
UK chat / fun thread
Posted: 8/15/2012 1:42:41 PM
x_kags_x Msg29

Struggling to understand the difference between what I was proposing and the "Best Break up song" thread. This has been allowed to remain and is exactly the sort of thread I am talking about.

There are threads which don’t come to the attention of the MOD’s and remain on the site. I find (what you describe as) “fun” threads are a bit like watching daytime TV.( a feeling of wasted time).

This thread (quoted above) is really a continuation of

Good to see and maybe the issue has resolved itself.

I hope not. I don’t want to go to Page 4 before coming across a serious subject that I want to reply to.

( It would appear that you have left the premises. Good luck. )
 forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 3 (view)
Are you put off by a Disability
Posted: 8/15/2012 1:17:15 PM
Before you start believing that we don’t appear to be interested in your thread, this has been discussed recently -

with over 100 replies.

Hope this helps.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 26 (view)
UK chat / fun thread
Posted: 8/8/2012 3:10:49 PM
x_kags_x Msg6

I don't think chatrooms are the answer

Sorry. I thought the Thread title was a bit of a give away.

x_kags_x Msg9

it IS a dating site... not a debating site.

The Rules make it clear that the Forum is a debating site. It specifically does not allow the type of List threads such as you describe as "fun threads".


Having a separate forum for more "fun" topics would reduce the moderator workload

I really do not see that this is the case.

Is there anything we can actually do about this?

You can e-mail Admin, but I think you would be wasting your time.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 7 (view)
UK chat / fun thread
Posted: 8/6/2012 9:55:03 AM

I think this is a valid issue which needs addressing.

I think a Thread Search would have helped.

On UK forum

Site/Suggestions/Help forums

Get over it. Chat is not coming back
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 103 (view)
Should alchoholics be given DLA?
Posted: 8/1/2012 1:47:08 PM
MikeInNorthWales Msg101

I’m sorry for your loss.
As Graffiti Poet says,
The lack of empathy and understanding is sad to see.

Graffiti Poet Msg105
To be honest the OP and most posters are not against alcoholics getting treatment or assistance, just the way in which they are able to spend their DLA benefit on drink.

Of course they should, they should be given every help and assistance they need.

But to what purpose?

To help them overcome their “disability”, or to speed up their own demise.

I have certain reservations about DLA being given to alcoholics.

1 - There is no incentive for them to address their problems.
2 – I feel uneasy about giving money to an alcoholic primarily to feed his habit.

On a personal note, if your partner, brother or sister asked you for money to feed their drinking habit, how would you feel?

Would you give them the money?

I fully agree with paragraph 2 of your post. Society needs to get to grips with this (likely to be increasing) problem.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 3 (view)
Ever think someone is out of your league and not messaged them?
Posted: 6/26/2012 2:53:31 PM
Covered in thread
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 3 (view)
Thread Search
Posted: 6/18/2012 3:05:03 PM
Thanks for the tip Wanna Future.

Can Admin please make it easier for Thread Searches to be done without double clicking, (as it used to be) to save us repeating old threads or having to search them out manually. It is difficult to have to explain to Newbies what the have to do to start an thread as it is, without this rigmarole.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 1 (view)
Thread Search
Posted: 6/18/2012 9:57:53 AM
The Thread Search does not appear to be working on the UK Forums.

Does anybody know the reason?
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 36 (view)
I have to upgrade to see who viewed me now???
Posted: 3/12/2012 11:22:13 AM
Do I smell rotting fish here?

All these "newbies" to the UK forums complaining.

It's funny how they have all arrived at the same time.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 37 (view)
Will we get an EU referendum now?
Posted: 12/13/2011 1:41:22 PM
PawlCee Msg 24

There should be no referendum. The great unwashed electorate, myself included, are simply incompetent and ill-informed on making such a judgement. I may distrust the politicians but I distrust the electorate even more. Quite simple really.

After reading some of the posts on this thread I am inclined to agree with you.

MilkyBarKid2 Msg

It's now a criminal offence in some EU states to criticise the EU.

What countries?

Can you give any details of the Legislation involved? (or any link)

See what has happened to the German reporter who reported on corruption in the EU - he was arrested and subject very unpleasant interrogation.

Firstly, he was not arrested. He was detained and presumably asked about the possible bribing of a EU official.

Can you provide a link to your claim of a “very unpleasant interrogation”.

The cases of Mr Connolly, Ms Andreasen, are to do with Contract Law, not Criminal Law. They are in connection with the employment of Mr Connolly and Ms Andreasen with the EU.

Neither Mr Connolly or Ms Andreasen faced Criminal charges.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 4 (view)
Will we get an EU referendum now?
Posted: 12/9/2011 10:10:46 AM

Surprised this hasn't been discussed on here yet. Are people pro or anti EU?

Are you taking the p***?

Carry out a thread search. Type in EU on the UK Forums. I think you will find a number of threads on the EU.

 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 25 (view)
Last time you shivered to music or tv?
Posted: 9/10/2011 1:21:57 PM
I was watching a DVD tonight with my surround system turned up.

When the DVD had finished the TV came on..... X Factor.

This is one of my least liked programmes. A girl called Sammi (Brookes?) was about to sing.

This girls voice is AWESOME.

I might even watch some of the X Factor to see how she gets on.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 29 (view)
10 years ago Sunday....
Posted: 9/10/2011 10:29:15 AM
I was at work when a friend phoned me. I rushed home to watch the TV.

I never was allowed to drive the hearse after this incident.

Forum rules don’t allow threads on 9/11. They apparently cause all the conspiracy theorists to come out. (Not that that would happen on the UK Forum!!)

 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 35 (view)
Flirting with Married people
Posted: 7/25/2011 1:50:56 PM
From the only English source worth bothering with.

To behave as though sexually attracted to someone…

You don’t have to be sexually attracted to the person, just behave as though you are.

…but playfully

For amusement, not to be taken seriously.

…rather than with serious intentions.

I have given my explanation in Msg 176 in simple English, with a simple analogy….

Imagine that you are out with your husband/wife, girlfriend/boyfriend, partner or friend etc. and they make a joke at your expense.

You say “I’m going to murder you that” (or words to that effect)

Do you really mean that?


You are saying that ‘without serious intent’ or ‘without serious intentions’.

I take it that those of you say that the intent is still there, may have a skeleton or two in the cupboard…

… or under the patio…

… or buried in the back garden!!!

 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 32 (view)
Flirting with Married people
Posted: 6/15/2011 1:21:23 PM
I am quite content that there are two definitions on current OED’s and another based on Merriam-Webster dictionary, which shows that flirting, is ‘without serious intentions’ (or intent).

That’s good enough for me.

Just for a moment leave the first part of the definition and concentrate on the phrase ‘ without serious intentions’.

Imagine that you are out with your husband/wife, girlfriend/boyfriend, partner or friend etc. and they make a joke at your expense.

You say “I’m going to murder you that” (or words to that effect)

Do you really mean that?


You are saying that ‘without serious intent’ or ‘without serious intentions’.

Apply this to flirting.

If you are unable to do so, I would suggest that that you write to the aforementioned publishers.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 31 (view)
Flirting with Married people
Posted: 6/14/2011 12:04:01 AM
Zeegary Msg158

"to behave amorously without serious intent "

There is that phrase again. That is 2 dictionary definitions, with which you disagree. It seems quite straightforward to me.

I don’t even have to counter your arguments; you’re doing a great job!

[quoteGood job you didn't waste your money on that incorrect version of the OED!

The Police raided an open-air market just the other week and arrested 3 people for selling illegal cigarettes, fake perfume and dodgy OED!

 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 29 (view)
Flirting with Married people
Posted: 6/13/2011 12:39:30 PM

Since this subject is concerned with the use of the English language and since
you are quite an expert (albeit self-professed) of same, I would be glad if you could take the time by casting your eye over the following e-mail, which I intend sending.

Dr Mr Oxford

I have long been a fan of your English Dictionary.

In an Internet forum I belong to I gave a definition on the word ‘Flirting’,
‘Flirting is trying to attract someone sexually but without serious intentions’
I even highlighted the latter part of the sentence, as it appeared this was causing problems to some of the forumites.

I was slated by another forumite who insisted that “I don’t know what flirting is!”.
I pointed out that the one doing the flirting has no serious intentions but he insisted that this is wrong.

I felt dejected and humiliated.

I couldn’t sleep and was unable to concentrate at work. At lunchtime I wandered the streets in a state of shock. The next thing I knew I was standing in front of a bookshop.

In a moment of inspiration I headed for the Dictionary section and consulted your excellent book. Suddenly a great weight was lifted from my shoulders as I realised that your definition was exactly the same as mine.

The staff must have thought me potty as I danced about the shop.
In my excitement I almost bought your book.

It is made all the more surprising as this aforementioned forumite is normally an avid fan of your publication, and quotes from it (some might say ‘ad nauseam’), to teach those un-educated amongst us.

He even reminds us -
I don't expect anyone to take my words as 'law', but I do expect them to know what English words mean before they use them.....

And for those who choose not to understand the meaning of words:
"The beginning of wisdom is the definition of terms." (Socrates)

(Sigh) Too true….

All I can say is keep up the good work.

Yours sincerely

Forrest Grump

What do you think?
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 27 (view)
Flirting with Married people
Posted: 6/8/2011 12:11:09 PM
Zeegary Msg 152

So if they responded in a positive fashion (ie they wished to take it further) the one doing the flirting would rebuff them?

Er….yes, because the one doing the flirting has no serious intentions (of taking it further).

This is the difference between flirting and coming on to someone, or making a move on someone, or indeed, on propositioning someone.

In this case the person would have serious intentions, so the answer to your questions would probably be No.

I hope this explains the position.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 15 (view)
scare causes Hampshire police alert what do you think
Posted: 6/7/2011 3:10:01 PM
I would think that Specsavers will not have to search for their next storyline.

Why the first police officer didn’t use the ‘long arm of the law’ to grab the tiger’s tail…

I’ll get my coat
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 26 (view)
A spray that claims to help a man last ten minutes longer
Posted: 6/7/2011 2:44:04 PM
That would mean….eleven minutes….

Are you serious?

Would someone pass me my Sanatogen

 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 26 (view)
Flirting with Married people
Posted: 6/7/2011 2:28:46 PM

I have always flirted with married ladies, and I wondered why this is,

I think you have answered that question in the next sentence -

"I think it may be their unavailability ... - the fact that they are 'safe', that nothing can happen."

Do you think that married people flirt more?

I’ll carry out a survey and get back to you.

Did you flirt more when you were attached?

I don’t think it made a difference.

These comments typify what flirting is all about.

OBird Msg 6 & 16

I flirt outrageously with lots of my married friends.
Like you, OP, I know that there's nothing in it, that it's all in fun only, and that all it does is make us laugh.

Harmless because both parties (and any partners) know that it is unthreatening and completely without malice or intention of anything further developing from it.

Hunnibelle Msg 30

Edit... there is a world of difference between flirting and someone coming onto you. It’s a totally different situation.

Flirting is trying to attract someone sexually but without serious intentions.

If your intentions are serious, it is NOT flirting, nor can it be described as such.

 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 47 (view)
why would you not be a blood doner?
Posted: 1/27/2011 9:46:31 AM
Apart from the instances given in the OP, I think more people would become a blood donor if -

someone who was a friend and a blood donor (maybe in a workplace or a club) would give them some encouragement to go,

or, if a friend or relative needed a transfusion, it would bring to the need for blood transfusions to their attention. In many cases some things only become apparent when one has a personal experience.

Zeegary Msg30

Given that I wasn't alive during Victoria's reign, I have had to rely on innate knowledge to have hear of her existence - just like you and everybody else on this site...

I would imagine, just as nx rocks and scorpiomover have mentioned, everybody on this site has learned about Victoria’s reign and it had nothing to do with innate knowledge.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 29 (view)
a bridge to far
Posted: 1/26/2011 3:16:35 PM
I’m surprised to see that some of our anti – EU posters, have not yet commentated on the fact that this bridge was erected to comply with the EU Habitats Directive.

Hams Msg 5

We all ready have plenty of doormice in England and the last thing
we need is a bunch of Welsh ones coming over here so they can sleep around
with our females and then run off back to The Valleys with their tail between their legs.

How do you know the dormice are Welsh? They could easily be English dormice, returning home after finding their holiday nests have been burned to the ground by the Friends of the Welsh Dormice.

Cheburashka Msg 13

Are you guys still honestly still proud of England?

It was the Welsh ‘who done it’.

Doc50 Msg 29

what happens to these dormice as they exit this bridge. have the planners considered that once an owl or such bird gets wind of this constant food supply,…

This thought struck me as well. It’s a fast food outlet for owls, other birds and cats.

On looking further I came upon this -

Make a mental note - buy shares in the company providing these bridges.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 15 (view)
car insurance ...
Posted: 1/23/2011 6:52:42 AM
You are, in effect, cancelling a 12-month contract.

The underwriters will have based their premiums on the premise that you would be paying the whole amount.

Also, the cost to the Insurance Company is higher in the beginning, as it has to pay commission, admin costs (such as Legal Cover, Breakdown Costs, cost of issuing a policy) etc.

It recoups these in the later months.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 49 (view)
Are soap operas going to far with there storylines
Posted: 1/18/2011 1:33:58 PM
Yes, I feel soap operas are going to far with their storylines.

I’ve just heard a rumour that Phil Mitchell, while attempting to club an urban fox to death with his own shotgun, is shot, accidentally, by the fox!

I mean, really…

 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 95 (view)
The Great Debate
Posted: 1/18/2011 1:03:32 PM
Sorry about the delay in replying. but I need to clarify certain points.

Anniesea Msg132

3. The two-year period may be extended if and ONLY IF both the Council (the party of the first part) and the Member State (the party of the second part) agree.

4. After two years, if the Member State does not agree with the Council to extend the period and there is no withdrawal agreement in place, the Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question.

Spot on. At last someone who understands PLAIN ENGLISH.

unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned,unanimously decides to extend this period.

Means exactly what is says on the tin….
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 62 (view)
The Great Debate
Posted: 4/28/2010 4:36:33 PM
My Msg 78

To my mind this means either the member state agrees to the withdrawal agreement, or, after 2 years the member state can ‘opt out’ if they so wish by not agreeing to extend this period.

Your Msg 98

You accept that an agreement has to be reached between the state and the EU before that state can leave,

No I didn't. See above.

Your Msg 98

and you have also stated that the period of two years will be extended until that agreement has been reached

No I didn't. I pointed out that Article 50 (3) states

The period can be extended " with the agreement of the Member State concerned" .

Again see my comments in Msg 78.

I would point out that there is no mention in Section (3) of "until an agreement can be reached".
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 59 (view)
The Great Debate
Posted: 4/28/2010 2:55:32 PM
Zeegary Msg 113

It's quite hard to debate any topic when the person you are debating with either cannot read what has been written or chooses to ignore it and comment on what they think or hope you might have said.

I do so agree.

Are you referring to your inaccurate statements in Msg 98?
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 54 (view)
The Great Debate
Posted: 4/23/2010 3:22:05 PM
Msg 98

<div class="quote">You accept that an agreement has to be reached between the state and the EU before that state can leave,

No I didn’t.

<div class="quote">and you have also stated that the period of two years will be extended until that agreement has been reached.

No I didn’t.

See my comments to Article 50 (3) in Msg 73.

<div class="quote">So why is there a need for an 'agreement'? If you wish to leave an organisation, you just leave!

If I were to walk out on my employers on Monday, I would be in Breach of Contract.
If I handed in the required notice I would be fulfilling my part of my Terms of Contract.

Most ‘organisations’ have certain rules/restrictions. You either live with the consequences or not join the organisation. The EU is no exception to the rule. Its members agree to the rules.

<div class="quote">You appear to have ignored my earlier question - why can't a state leave the EU without that agreement?

It can, but it would seem easier if the state and the EU could reach agreement for the future. Perhaps that is why Article 50 (2) states, “taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union.”

Are you in a position to provide a link, or answer the points raised in Msg 97?
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 48 (view)
The Great Debate
Posted: 4/23/2010 1:10:46 AM
Msg 96

The section of Lisbon which I have provided clearly states that to be the case.

No it does not. Where in the following paragraph does it say that?

In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union.

The Council has no say in the matter; its role is purely intended to be involved in the terms of arrangements for the withdrawal. Even the wording of this paragraph is perfectly clear.

There is no mention here of whether or not the Member State can or cannot leave. Show me one instance in Article 50 (or elsewhere for that matter) that either the Council or the European Parliament can have a veto in this matter.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 45 (view)
The Great Debate
Posted: 4/22/2010 4:44:52 PM
The action of leaving the EU, obviously.

I think you will find that neither the Council, nor The European parliament have the power to vote on whether a Member State can or cannot leave.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 43 (view)
The Great Debate
Posted: 4/22/2010 3:40:36 PM
Msg 83


<div class="quote">So, the European Parliament must first consent to the action, then the Council of Ministers have to have a majority in favour of the action.

<div class="quote">If the EU cannot reach that agreement, then the country in question is unable to leave.

Sorry, I am not sure what you mean by "the action."
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 31 (view)
Car insurance - why does a claim leave you out of pocket?
Posted: 4/22/2010 3:30:39 PM

I’ll think you’ll find Labdien! settled his claim to his satisfaction.

In your own case, your Insurance company would Disallow your NCD until they were confident that there would be no claim from a Third Party. If the circumstances were similar to Labdien!’s accident there should be no problem.

If it has been a year since the accident I would suggest you write to them asking for them to reinstate your NCD entitlement.
 Forrest Grump
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 39 (view)
The Great Debate
Posted: 4/22/2010 3:09:16 PM

So, the European Parliament must first consent to the action, then the Council of Ministers have to have a majority in favour of the action.

If the EU cannot reach that agreement, then the country in question is unable to leave.

This does not mean the the EU can object to a member state leaving.

If a member state wishes to leave the EU, there is nothing the EU can do to stop it.

All it can do is decide the terms on which it can leave. If it fails to do so after 2 years the member state can leave.

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