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 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 49 (view)
 
stopped by the cops
Posted: 1/3/2009 9:29:48 PM
Yes, the cops can and will lie all the time in order to get a warrant. And of course the SC will continue to give the police more and more power to violate our rights as human beings.

As far as the dogs, although this is not technically a search, they will bring in the dogs, then claim the dog got a "hit" on the car as their "probably cause".

As far as answering questions, Identifying yourself is quite a bit different than answering questions. If you are stopped in a car or the street and are not "free to leave", you are also not obligated to speak (other than identifying yourself) or answer any questions. Until of course our "free" country passes more draconian laws.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 8 (view)
 
The most imprisoned nation on earth
Posted: 1/2/2009 8:35:40 PM
You're absolutely right. Michigan is the state leading the way in passing more and more oppressive laws. since we have such a depressed economy, our legislators continue to pass more revenue building laws and more career building laws to make politicians look good to the public.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 48 (view)
 
stopped by the cops
Posted: 1/2/2009 8:31:39 PM
He should ask why he's being stopped. Then ask the cop if he is being detained or arrested. If the cop says no, then he is free to leave. If he IS being detained, don't answer any questions. He is under NO obligation to answer any questions. Remember that "right to remain silent"? Exercise it. Then file a complaint and DEMAND to know why he was stopped!

Cops do this all the time.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 24 (view)
 
imagine the beauty of a libertarian controlled congress..
Posted: 7/30/2008 3:29:49 PM
Yeah, drawl me a map too because you're making no sense. I think most people would say that government is never run efficiently or cost effective, yet, we want them to run health care?
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 23 (view)
 
imagine the beauty of a libertarian controlled congress..
Posted: 7/30/2008 3:26:43 PM
Romantic, your statement "Anarhists, I mean libertarians don't believe in government", indicates that you in fact know absolutely nothing about the libertarian's.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 38 (view)
 
Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 7/29/2008 6:56:59 PM
Moneyboystu, I would like for you to answer this question, exactly who, is suppose to pay the black race anything? And..exactly how would you address the issue of Africa paying the "black race" back?
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 69 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/27/2008 9:46:25 AM
Cranky!? perhaps you should go and read your post of 132 and tell me about cranky?

Pahaps you just don't like being called out on something and have to be right ALL the time (opps there I go being "cranky" again)

[The key facts I posted came from the CDC (Center for Disease Control) and I'm sorry, but they are the authority....that's who tells the drug companies what vaccines to manufacture....and the quote said they estimate. You are right, though, you cannot predict how a strain is going to mutate, which is why the flu shot is not always effective. Last year the flu shot we gave was worthless]

As far as the rest of your post, I just added what you failed to mention in your previous post. But thanks for stating it again.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 68 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/27/2008 9:22:55 AM
[Why is this the more important question? It might be more important for those who want to argue the case for a bible story, but it's not more important for the scientific study of evolutionary processes. ]

HUH? Are you serious? Is that how science works? If it has ANY religious, particularly creationist overtones, ignore it? I am amazed that you would even say anything that rediculous. When a scientist has a theory he is suppose to reply on others in his discipline to test it objectively to see if the theory is true or not.

[Hmmm. Can you name them please? The "top scientists" I mean?]

Michael Behe, Stephen C Meyer are a couple.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 67 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/27/2008 8:55:19 AM
I was responding to someone elses post. You CANNOT predict what and how a strain is going to mutate. As the previous poster stated, which I agree, the strains mutate. How are you going to "predict" how it's going to mutate? You can't. They can only give you a vaccine based on strains they know about. Even your "keyfacts" quote refutes your assertion and supports what I am saying! Nice one.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 65 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/27/2008 7:58:34 AM
No, evolution doesn't add up to me, blame my counting all you want. But don't only blame my counting, blame the scientific community as well. You even called it the "natural selection THEORY". Stop calling it a theory and call it LAW. Why doesn't the scientific community call it law? THEORY: A proposed but unverified explaination.

No, maybe I'm not technologically inclined, yet here we both are...

I never said genetic mutations don't occur but they are variations, just like the breeding of different types of dogs. But a more important question to ask in regards life at the molecular level is not how do these mutations occur, but rather how did life begin at that level to begin with. Because again, even at the highest level in the scientific community you have disagreement amoungst the "leading" evolutionary scientists. Perhaps they need to get with you so you can set them straight?

Even the top scientists agree that in order for the organic materials and proteins etc, to come together at just the right way to creat life at the most simplistic form of life, the odds would be so huge as to called impossible.

Oh, and the flu shots you get....they only protect against the KNOWN flu strains anyway, not the new.

I rest my case
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 63 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/26/2008 9:39:12 PM
I'm not questioning researchers in the field of archeology suggesting mans earliest ancestry frmo Africa. However the assertion is that if it originates from Africa it has to be black. This simpy has not been proven to be the case at all.

It is not unusual for someone's post HS education to convincingly change someones mind with evolutionary propaganda. Although more and more leading PhD's are changing their minds about the theory of evolution as they learn more of the extreme complexity of life and the universe. Preaching? Hardly. I could care less what you think about creationism, evolution or me. But I was not as you say, "Bible thumping" and simply stated my view, my opinion. If that comes across as "Bible thumping" so be it. But it seems interesting that when someone disagrees with you that their opinion is categorized as "dogmatic, right wing, christian iron fisted."

Yes I did see American Beauty and thought all the characters in the movie were sick. But of course that's Hollywood for you. I was just thinking about how you remind me of "meathead" from All in The Family. Now there was a atheistic left winger if there ever was one.

Now do you mean by being "more educated", changing my mind so that I agree with your opinion? All I learned in school WAS evolution, yet through research on my own did not buy into that evolution bit. Didn't add up to me.

What next? Want to talk about my hat now?
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 8:42:51 PM
I NEVER said to open the oil reserves. If you seen that in my post then I was using a quote from someone else. But yes I do believe in more drilling. Hell , we have more demand today than but our refineries are running at 100% but can't keep up with the demand. And of course congress (our savior) won't allow any more refineries to be built.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 4:52:30 PM
Did it ever occur to you that you pay that little because it's greatly subsidized? Most the fools at the pump don't realize it and don't care anyway.

And NO it's not cost effective to produce and takes more to produce that same amount of energy to run your car.

That's ok though the next problem will be the price of food, because all the farmers resources will go to producing corn for bio fuel at the expense of food for eating.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 4:44:40 PM
[hahaha thats pretty funny. Exxon declared record profits the last what? three years running and they are going to decide to get out of the oil business because prices go up? they don't care if prices go up, man. their markup remains the same. why the hell would they want to get out of the oil business?]

Yes they have made money...lots of money. Isn't that what businesses are SUPPOSE to do? Think they made too much? Then tell us exactly how much money they're suppose to make. Don't be jealous because they made money (lots and lots) In addition, they don't make as much money off a gallon of gas as you may think. In fact...the federal government makes more money off a gallon of gas than does the "evil" oil company. Why do you think the feds publicly attack the oil companies??

[I'm lost. drilling offshore will at best according to everybody including the oil companies only reduce our dependency by your little 10% so whats with the problem with the 5%?]

No, I'm lost. What exactly is your question?

[truth be told 5% or 10% ain't gonna do diddly for the oil crisis anyway. the sunniest possible scenario for both of them will only mean a $0.50 difference per gallon at the most, which is definitely not going to do a lot.]

Who says it's a crisis anyway? We have oil. You can go down to the gas station anytime you want and get some. So are you saying it would be any better paying .50 less for a gallon!?
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:53:12 PM
How about state and federal government lifting IT'S tax?

Who's stopping you from driving 65 now?

E85 is more expensive to produce and doesn't delivery the same horsepower as gas, thus you use MORE to produce the same amount of energy.

And how is Oil companies stopping this? Aren't the politicians in control of Washington?? The same politicians that tout green energy? The dems control congress, yet it's the oil companies fault? Then you need to hold the politicians accountable for their leglect of "duty" NOT the oil companies.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:45:31 PM
Mtloophiker, hey that's great, but I was quoting a stat that SimmaDahnnah used, not mine.
But let's use your stats. Say that everything you say is 100% correct ( although the stat I've heard is that we import about 2 million BPD) and we drawl from the reserves and don't drill ourselves...then what? What happens at the end of 4 years? Do we drill? Or do we keep our heads in the sand and hope the issue goes away? And if you're talking about depleting the SOR , the Saudi's slow production and demand goes up (world wide) your little 5% reduction in imports ain't going to mean squat.

How's this for a solutions. Say those evil oil corporations (you know the ones that produce all the pertroleum products we use in our daily life) just decide to get out of the business of drilling and refining all together. Then what? Are we going to pray for sunshine and wind everyday?

It's easy to blame those big corporations (which I believe employ thousands of people)but they are also the ones that allow us to carry one with our daily lives. Drive to work and back, drive to the store etc,.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 2:09:31 PM
[Why do you favor it? It will get us absolutely nowhere. We won't see effects of it for up to 10 years.]

Why do we favor it, because it gets us more oil!! So if we don't see the effects for 10 years, so what. At least in 10 years we'll have more oil!


[It will ruin the tourism for the states where it will be happening, and I don't even know what kind of a mess it makes for the environment.]

Really? Is there alot of tourism in ANWR? Is there alot of tourism around huge oil rigs? Since you admit you don't even know what kind of mess it makes for the environment why do you even make your previous statement?

The national strategic reserve is nothing. We use well over a million barrels of oil a day and the 70,000 barrels, if diverted, would create a dent.

So yes, go ahead and write your congressman about more important issues like impeaching the president and leave the big problems to others.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 13 (view)
 
palestinean politics
Posted: 7/26/2008 1:58:35 PM
Uninterested makes some very good points. It's very easy to jump on the band wagon and blame Israel for everything. From what I've seen my take is that although there have been some Israeli's that have went on suicide attacks against the Palistinians. I have also seen systematic attacks orchestrated through the Palistinian government. In fact now the Palistinian government has a terrorist entity as it's government.

I don't think that the attacks of old are "forgotten", as Uninterested has stated it's easy to come up with a list of attacks...from one side. You would have to see both sides of the issue to fully understand.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 61 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/26/2008 1:45:03 PM
Flyguy, in response to your post 182, please explain how I gave "further evidence" for it. I did use quotes from a previous post in my responses. Uh, oh, you didn't make the same mistake I did?
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 60 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/26/2008 7:04:21 AM
QUOTE: But I consider any gov't-enforced racial or ethnic segregation , like the Jim Crow laws which I was referring to in that post, to be another permanent black mark (no pun....) on the American system quite frankly.

Agreed, but there is still a tremendous amount of self imposed segregation today. Back in the 70's the government imposed "desegregation" in which the government felt is best that ALL kids needed to go to school together etc. Everyone hated it, whites and blacks. Were you in favor of the government stepping in and telling families how and where they were going to go to school?
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 19 (view)
 
socialism or capitalisim?
Posted: 7/26/2008 6:59:34 AM
Then perhaps you can enlighten us. Whatever the plan, if it's government sponsered and run it's socialism. There is no constitutional authorization at the federal level for them to institute a national health plan.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 18 (view)
 
socialism or capitalisim?
Posted: 7/26/2008 6:57:18 AM
Oh, and one more thing, since we're talking about socialism in the health arena, you think waiting several months until you "scrape" enough money together, wait until we have universal health care....it won't matter if you have the money or not, you're still going to have to wait months. Unless of course you have your own health insurance outside of the government run plan.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 16 (view)
 
socialism or capitalisim?
Posted: 7/26/2008 6:54:15 AM
Yeah, and their problem is now my resopnsibility to pay for?
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 59 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/26/2008 6:52:05 AM
So, let me be clear, you don't favor ANY segregation at all?
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/26/2008 5:51:23 AM
Teachpeace, not sure who your comment was directed to. And have no idea where your "the fact that racism still exists in the good ole USA constitutes me hating being white", or "I've never heard Obama say a thing about this but my kids and I sure would be delighted to enlighten you" is directed. So I'll wait for you to reply before I respond.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 57 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/26/2008 5:47:05 AM
[GLOCK, ...... I wish you could see yourself. ]

Is that how you respond to points of an argument and you have nothing to counter it with?

[Remember something, Glock. We're all borne of black people.]

Really? Says who? Is that supposed to mean something to me? Was that suppose to "fire" me up? Is your argument that poor that you have to resort to pulling little tidbits? Actually, we all came from Adam and Eve, and they more than likely were of a tan complexion, not black. I know the whole "black" thing is very important to you but sorry to disappoint.

Now referring to my post A Bit Nomadic, that was my mistake, but if I remember correctly, she did AGREE with the poster on that topic. And yes, my comment was directed to Bie2000000000
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 56 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/26/2008 5:36:32 AM
You mentioned segregated water fountains, seating etc as some of the example of barriers that existed. The question referred to if that still existed what would your stance be today on it.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 54 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/25/2008 2:39:28 PM
Nero I finally figured out why you're here. You're here to provide entertainment because you certainly sound like a clown. You are suppose to learn from the past, not live in it and pretend it's in the present.

So are you saying all those things are currently happening today? Ok, lets say that seperation/segregation were happening today would you condemn those actions? What if someone was attacked because they "violated" one of your above mentioned "barriers", would you condemn them? Would they deserve jail time for what they did?

Why does it have to be "lily" white? Why can't it be just "white"? Do you hate whites because it sounds as though you do. Come on Nero, talk to us, get it out. Get that white hatred out.

I have no problem talking about race, go ahead talk about it all you want. I'm ready for anything you've got so let it out.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/25/2008 2:25:45 PM
A bit Nomadic....where do you live????? Holy cow!! My experience has just been the opposite. I've seen blacks use the "race" angle in preperation in case something "didn't work out to their favor.

["You say we play the ‘Race Card’ but whites reply in an INSTANT with their ‘Denial Card’, shooting down any evidence of racism as little more than the fantasies of unhinged blacks, unwilling to take personal responsibility for our own problems in life."]

Isn't it POSSIBLE that maybe whites haven't been racist, or is simply the accusation of being a "racist" by someone black good enough to convict? And are you telling us that blacks ALWAYS take responsibility for their problems. Or are whites just an easy and convenient scape goat?

[As if the conclusions we reach are not because of careful consideration of the facts as we see them, but rather, because of some irrational (even borderline paranoid) tendency to see racism everywhere because whites think that we blacks lack the intelligence and sanity to accurately interpret their own lives.]

Remember there are two sides to this issue. You come across as thought the only opinion in this that matters is that of the black person. You just make your own conclusion about whites "thinking that blacks lack the intelligence and sanity to accurately interpret their own lives." If someone white said that about blacks you would use the racist label.

[The fact is, whites have always doubted claims of racism at the time they were being made, no matter how strong the evidence is.]

Really? then why did all those white people make laws protecting rights of all Americans? I would really be careful of that word "always".

You know, we could have an entirely black government, president, Congress and judiciary and blacks would still find a way to accuse those evil white people (blue eyed racist devils) of racism.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/25/2008 11:39:59 AM
Flyguy, now you're getting it. Although you make light of a president that "merely sits in the Oval office", it sure beats the hell out of a president that signs virtually everything that comes across his desk. If you had any idea how many laws, local, state and federal we have, not to mention the federal agencies who set regulations that have the same effect as law you would agree. Just at the federal level, we have enough laws and regulations that would stretch the entire length of a football field. How many more laws do we need? Is there really anything else in our "free" country that we need a law for? Sorry, but I value my freedom, what very little there is left, something, quite obviously you care nothing about

And that constitution that you say Obama is protecting because he knows what it is, protects our right to free speech, something you and I are engaging in right now.

Welcome to the 21st century politics? Is that what you want and country totally dedicated to socialist in which the state plans everything you do or say? It tells you what is good and bad, and that everything is "for the children"?

Perhaps you should do alittle more research into the presidency you would find out that not until Woodrow Wilson (D) did we actually have a president that was an activist. An activist for ideas that he favored and threw in Jail those who disagreed with him. Presidents never were intended to be "leaders" in the sense you indicate but a quiet role in which they said very little in fear that if they made public statements it would have the appearance of trying to effect legislation. It is not the presidents job to be "persuasive" with congress. It is up to congress to creat legislation, not the president. And it is not up to the president to push for legislation either.

So, would I prefer someone who simply sits in the office and does absolutely nothing for 4 or 8 years? You bet! Oh, except for vetos!
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/25/2008 10:47:29 AM
ManeRider name one thing that the "right wing" has done that the left has not? What did the Democrats do in 2000 in regards to "winning" the election. They went to the democrat controled Florida Supreme court in order for them to order a recount in 1 county, regardless that election rules say the whole state needs to be recounted. Of course the Democrat controled Florida Supreme court ruled in favor of the DEMOCRATS. That's why the republicans went to the supreme court. Yes, the U.S. Supreme court ordered a full state recount, something that is forgotten about today.

Of course to you, anyone that, FORBID, disagrees with you is somehow less of a human being, "stooping" to ignorance. If you want to talk about how democrats "win" elections why don't you ask the Kennedy's?

If you think the election is about race, again, ask members of your OWN party before you challenge someone else. I've heard nothing but tace talk coming from democrats including Joe Biden, Hillary and Bill Clinton not to mention Jesse Jackson's Gaffe!
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 42 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/25/2008 10:36:13 AM
Hey, Flyguy, if he in fact knows what it is (and of course you apparently didn't pick up on the sarcasm) then answer this...why does he propose to do things if/when he gets in office that he does not have the constitutional authority to do?

As far as his credentials, who cares what they are, he obviously doesn't care about FOLLOWING the constitution.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 40 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/24/2008 6:45:26 PM
I don't care for Obama because of his stance on the Constitution (he doesn't know what it is) For that matter I don't care for McCain either. Each and everytime one of these candidates tell you what they are going to do, ask yourself this "Where does he get the constitutional authority to do that?" 99% of the time he doesn't have the authority to do it.
But since Obama is bi-racial (he is not only black) and I don't care for his brand of politics or his party, I'm conveniently labled a "racist", you know, the usual mantra. We whites are quite used to it. But we know there is a double standard in the country in regards to issues of race. Some will have us believe that only whites can be racist. However, some of the most racist people I have ever met that were FILLED with hatred, were/are black. But of course in this liberally progressive country we can't actually acknowledge that blacks can be racists, so we give them a free ride.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/24/2008 11:24:23 AM
Bie2000000, you ask two questions that have nothing to do with whether someone has been discriminated, and the third is it is very difficult to prove via evidence that someone with less qualifications was hired. In fact let's reverse it and ask the same questions about someone BLACK when they make the claim of racism. Can they answer those questions or are they just guessing because the know and have learned the just the simple accusation of someone or a company being "racist" is likely to get ALOT of attention??

If nearly 9 in 10 jobs are never advertised, then how do you know this?? And how do you know that when a company hires by word of mouth that it "disadvantages"people of color, or are you again just stabbing in the dark? The hiring by word of mouth works both ways.

Your entire argument is a bunch of complete BS.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/24/2008 7:14:09 AM
There are more white women in the U.S. since they make up the majority of the people and they fall under affirmative action.
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Racial undertones in play in election
Posted: 7/24/2008 7:05:36 AM
[Affirmative action is in no way reverse racism. Affirmative action is nothing more than a failed attempt to right some wrongs. Racism, discrimination, prejudices are alive and well in this country. It is because of white privilege people believe if a Black or other minority gets the job, its affirmative action or as you say reverse racism. Simply being born white supposed to get you that job? If a job is requiring two languages, that is racist? For years and years to continue, blacks have had to learn to conform to a white ran society. What you are experiencing is nothing new to us, been there, done that, and doing it again tomorrow]

It certainly is an old argument you're using, an old liberal argument . It's still as ignorant as the first time I've heard it.

Scherri, you simply have your head stuck so far in the sand that it's going to take awhile for it to be unstuck.
You say that affirmative action is nothing but a failed attempt to "right some wrongs". That is correct but only to those who could demonstrate that they were discriminated against. It wasn't a program that was intended to "right wrongs" to those who have never been wronged. But it doing so, this type of program also wronged people that never did ANYTHING to anybody, they just had the misfortune to born white. Of course to you, being born white is the "free pass" to a lifetime of high living and privilege. What a laugh!! No being born white is not suppose to "get you a job" but it shouldn't mean that you are excluded from the OPPORTUNITY to apply for a job! Blacks were discriminated in the past for jobs , so now you favor whites being excluded from jobs as well? Is this your rationale?
 Glock34
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 73 (view)
 
What will happen to Fox News if Obama wins?
Posted: 7/24/2008 3:01:55 AM
Huh? What will happen to Fox? Nothing will happen! Since you think Fox is so "biased" have you seen NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC?? Talk about BIASED!! And I have seen just as many critics of Bush on FOX as for him, unlike the above mentioned stations who LOVE liberals and worship the ground they walk.
 
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