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 Author Thread: North Texas school district will let teachers carry guns
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 5 (view)
 
North Texas school district will let teachers carry guns
Posted: 8/15/2008 2:16:42 PM
And the world view of "America is bad we have guns" has arrived.

The small district that this is happening in has, what, 100 students if I read the article right? They realize that a sign saying "no guns allowed" basically means "if you have a gun you got the only one here" so they decided to ALLOW teachers the option of having a firearm if they so chose.

Whoever said if the teacher has to pack more than a piece of chalk.....well, gosh, the day that arrives it may be too late to move.

Besides, your utopian worldview could get shattered the day some maniacal terr.... um, Islamo.....um, well, what's the PC term for psychos like the ones who pulled off the Beslan incident? Those guys didn't buy their guns at stores, their bombs either. Could an armed teacher or six have made a difference? We'll never know. We do know, however, that large groups of unarmed people are basically a big fat target to anyone who wants to kill or wound a lot of people, guns, bombs, bulldozers, etc., whatever their weapon of choice is.
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 54 (view)
 
Concealed Carry Laws in Cities / Suburbs = Terrible Idea
Posted: 8/15/2008 2:11:36 PM
How about putting it like this,
"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

That, and the police aren't obligated to aid you. It's been upheld in court that the police aren't responsible for your safety, and if something happens to you, even in front of them while they are watching, they are not liable for it.
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 2 (view)
 
North Texas school district will let teachers carry guns
Posted: 8/15/2008 11:10:23 AM
Bet you won't see a Columbine in this school district.......
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Concealed Carry Laws in Cities / Suburbs = Terrible Idea
Posted: 8/15/2008 11:09:23 AM
Our Militia Acts require every able bodied male (and being the 21st century, we can include women) from ages 18-44 to own a rifle and keep ammunition, and also know how to use them.

Being the 21st century, that means every household should have an M16, ammunition, and each person should be required to qualify with them at least once a year.

We'd be kinda like Switzerland, though they've got the SIG 550 series (which we can't have due to import restrictions, while police can) which are far superior to Eugene Stoner's type of rifle.

(Being an enthusiast I only speculate and quote what I've heard from anyone with SIG rifle experience......)

They didn't have "safe storage", much less gun safes, back when our country was founded. Arms were above fireplaces, left by back doors, in drawers, and generally anyplace where they might be convenient. Such as in a belt or pocket, also.
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 49 (view)
 
Concealed Carry Laws in Cities / Suburbs = Terrible Idea
Posted: 8/15/2008 10:51:29 AM
Violence isn't always the answer.

However, there are certain questions where it is the only answer.

Criminals and terrorists will not give up their guns and so therefore, neither will I.

In an ideal world we'd live in peace and love and sunshine, but until that day unless someone has the ways and means to prevent violence (i.e. with violence directed at that perpetrator) then it won't change, it doesn't matter how many laws (20,000 and counting) you pass, it still won't matter.

Murder, rape, and robbery are already against the law, and laws don't discourage them from happening at all.

Besides, there are almost 40 of our 50 states where it is "shall issue" in terms of permits, or in the case of the ultra-violent Vermont and Alaska, no permit is needed at all. Some states have no permits for carrying openly and you just need a permit to carry concealed, and other states consider the vehicle an extension of your home so you need no permit to carry in a car.

Laws against automatic weapons did a great job preventing the North Hollywood bank robbery shootout, I might add, but that'd be seen as silly by people who think laws prevent any sort of crime.

I was told years ago that locks and fences "kept honest people honest", but what a stupid statement. If they were honest in the first place they wouldn't be thinking "gosh if there wasn't a lock I'd take everything not nailed down".

One more tidbit.....I'd still rather go hunting with****Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy, who is one of the most hypocritical people in terms of gun control, as most elitists typically are.

Did you know that in D.C., one of the few organizations with a gun license is the very group being quoted by the original poster? With that license they're allowed to possess firearms.......kind of a double standard. Kinda like Diane Feinstein having a permit to carry while at the same time trying to make sure San Francisco people couldn't even own a pistol at all.

And how about Chicago, where you can't own a handgun legally since the 1980's and crime is so bad they're talking about deploying the National Guard and giving cops M4's and M16's to go on patrol? I mean, in Europe cops typically openly carry assault rifles (and I mean actual, selective fire type rifles, not the ones that the Brady people get into a tizzy over) and submachine guns, yet most places there you can't own more than a double barrel shotgun, and even those require an extensive wait and a reason, which self defense doesn't qualify.
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 55 (view)
 
Genocide in Africa and Sudan
Posted: 8/12/2008 7:53:51 AM
Well, it's kinda like the bumper stickers I see from certain peaceniks, "Free Tibet."

To solve the problems of Sudan, Darfur, and Tibet, not to mention a lot of other nasty places in the world, you merely have to do one thing.

There has to be a parity. If one side has all the weaponry, then of course it's going to be easy to annihilate the people they don't like. Look at Rwanda. We didn't bother going there because we lost, what, 40 guys during that Blackhawk incident next door in Somalia? Crowds of people with machetes hacked to death one ethnic group, but they were protected by soldiers with rifles.

My bumper sticker would read: "Free Tibet, Send Ammunition."

All this talk by the UN of controlling "small arms" is a joke. The UN is made up of the very people who would be deposed if their populations could fight back.

"Genocide" is a term that should be replaced with "Governmentcide". Look at Cambodia. The government made damn sure nobody had weaponry before they wiped out 1/4 of the population. Might have been harder to march people out into a field and shoot them if they could fire back, so they spent a couple months disarming them first.

But I'm a warmongering rightwing nutjob, we need merely to push for international talk, let's just sit the parties down and see what we can agree on......one side wants the other dead, and can make it so, the other side wants to live but has no means of survival. Darfur....hell the Sudanese are using helicopters and armored vehicles against them.

Better send the opposition some Stingers and RPG's. But nobody mentions that it's Muslims versus Christians, we can't say that out loud, we might offend some people in the world by making that blunt pronouncement.

I await the fall of flames and screaming peaceniks who have no real solution other than the UN (which, by the way, Sudan is a member of.)

Remember when the Japanese were asked by the League of Nations in the 1930's to quit attacking China, they merely walked out and kept on going? Nobody did a damn thing about that until Pearl Harbor (though Roosevelt did let some of our pilots become "independent contractors" and aid the Nationalist Chinese.....can't do that now)
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Russia invades Georgia
Posted: 8/12/2008 7:35:58 AM
Well, all Hitler wanted was the part of Czechoslovakia with the "German speaking peoples", and he planned to stop. That was all he wanted, after all, he said so. Even signed a paper with Neville Chamberlain, who proclaimed, "Peace in our time."

Of course, that was in 1938. Speaking as a history scholar, this sounds like the old line "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it".

Cold War II is starting to look kind of hot......
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 60 (view)
 
Easy access to weapons?
Posted: 7/31/2008 5:44:33 AM
There's also the fact if you defend yourself you get arrested too, like the shop owner who, even after having been stabbed and sliced a few times (forget his name) got the knife away from his assailant, and the guy was still attacking him, so he turned the guy's knife against him. He got arrested, charged with murder, then there was a public outcry, so he may not have gotten life, I think he just got a couple years in the "cooler".

And self defense against a knife? There isn't any hand to hand skill outside a movie that'll keep you unharmed. In a knife fight, you're going to get cut or stabbed. Especially if you have no knife and they're inside 21 feet. Here in the States, a police officer is justified (as is a citizen) to shoot someone at that distance with a knife, they are considered a lethal threat.

I take martial arts (Krav Maga) and they do have knife defenses.

Lesson one: it's called, run like hell. Lesson two: pay attentionto your surroundings, because if they're close, you're going to get hurt.

I did learn a couple techniques but, having a guy come at you with a rubber knife still impresses you with the fact that you're going to f*ck up and get cut.

Though you do need to fight back, most stabbing deaths result from dozens or scores of wounds, not just one, though there are a few places which will be fatal in one hit, so if you give up you're going to probably die, or be horribly injured and maybe wish you had (loss of fingers, eyes, tendons in the arm or leg aren't easy to fix, facial disfigurement).
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Easy access to weapons?
Posted: 7/31/2008 5:29:01 AM
The environmental movement is a much bigger lobby. That and farmers. Why do you think we're using ethanol in our gas? Its more expensive to produce, even subsidized by the US government. This makes corn more expensive, which in turn makes beef and whatnot more expensive, and since ethanol can't be pipelined, and has to be trucked, there's more expense, not to mention the fact that ethanol damages engines and burns less efficiently in a motor than gasoline........

There's crime in any country. England is trying to make it so police can randomly search (they got no 4th Amendment) people for knives now because of a couple days with a large number of stabbings and their thing now is "knife crime". (Like gun crime ever left anyway). What's next, a permit for a kitchen utensil? Careful now, sir, that's an "assault" cheese grater. Does that salad shooter have a capacity for a part head of lettuce or does it have one of those "large capacity" vegetable holders? What about hammers? Chisels? Hell somebody could stab you with a number two pencil a bunch of times, then where would you be?

It's intent. Someone wanting to kill someone else could very easily even make a crossbow out of a spring from a car, some wood for a stock, and wire.

Maybe we should require permits for any kind of item that someone could possibly ever abuse or use against someone else or themselves.

Though what took the cake for me is hearing how Birmingham is putting foam rubber around poles so people text messaging won't walk into them and hurt themselves, since there's been a number of bright bulbs trying to text and walk and running into things (poles, people, exit doors, and traffic) so maybe we should just go ahead and ban texting without a permit.

We'll never be able to completely prevent all crime much less protect people from themselves.
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 81 (view)
 
Another Gun Doesn't Kill People. Two Dead.
Posted: 7/30/2008 11:16:20 AM
Two points: a guy with a knife walked in a police station in China and killed several police officers.

Two: ELF and ALF members have been arrested with guns, same with other animal rights people. The Unabomber had guns, as well as Al Gore's book Earth in the Balance.

Maybe we should start by banning ideologies.....oh wait, First Amendment.....and the only reason we have that is the Second, though they're all being restricted.
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 127 (view)
 
Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/30/2008 11:10:29 AM
I'm too picky of an eater to go vegetarian. Besides, humanity didn't claw its way to the top of the food chain to start eating carrots and celery exclusively. If you don't like meat, don't eat it, but don't get started on the whole "it's about pain and cruelty." Fine. I'll tell you what, next meat I eat, I'll make sure the butcher didn't make the cow suffer needlessly. I'll eat that Kobe beef the Japanese have, where they massage the cows, feed them beer and whatnot, then WHACK! suddenly he's a steak.

Though, to be fair, "vegetarians eat vegetables, humanitarians frighten me."

As for the whole population reduction argument, the only way to reduce the world's population to any degree is famine, pestilence, war, and widespread death, which we've not had in quite some time.
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 19 (view)
 
2 Hikers Attacked by Yellowstone Grizzly
Posted: 7/22/2008 1:46:12 PM
Its like the two guys who were out in the woods. They run right into a grizzly bear. The one fellow sits down, and is trading his boots for a pair of tennis shoes. His buddy stares at him. "You're crazy! You'll never outrun a bear!" To which he replies, "no, I just have to outrun you."
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 4 (view)
 
More Tax Dollars at work to Protect us from Terrorists
Posted: 7/22/2008 1:35:21 PM
So they're watching you. Woooo.....they're watching EVERYBODY.

So? As I recall, it was the left of the fence that seemed to advocate the whole "if you've got nothing to hide" mantra when it came to one issue, now that it bites you on the behind, you complain?

Funny stuff.
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 19 (view)
 
OK, what about the World Court and its opinion on the Child Rapist/Murderer on Death Row
Posted: 7/22/2008 9:34:40 AM
In some countries you can be executed for possession of exotic substances.

The moral is, don't go to another country and break the law. Hell, you might do research just to make sure something you do isn't against the law.

The world isn't the United States. You have no "Bill of Rights" most places. No right to an attorney, no phone call, no obligation for them to even tell you why you've been arrested, etc.

An illegal immigrant killing a couple people, and now his home country whines "we don't have a death penalty, so you can't kill him, he didn't get to call his home country" bla bla bla.....tell that to the American who got caught with Love Boat reruns in Saudi Arabia. He got flogged, as I recall, because that is considered pornography there.

I wouldn't go someplace else and assume I have rights. No, I'd assume I'd better keep myself as clean as possible. No even resemblance of wrongdoing.
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 3 (view)
 
US Sucked Into Israeli - Iran Conflict
Posted: 6/20/2008 5:22:02 AM
better to piss off the Russkis and the Red Chinese than to have Iran deliver us a nuke by one of their proxies such as Hezbollah.
The Israelis are the only friendly nation in the Middle East, and I include the supposed "friends" of ours, the Saudis.
 lumberman03
Joined: 9/13/2007
Msg: 903 (view)
 
gun control in the usa
Posted: 1/31/2008 12:22:39 PM
Self defense is a natural right which predates any law and supercedes any law against it. Self defense by any means necessary and against any and all force arrayed against you is your right and your responsibility.
 
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