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 Author Thread: Older Guy
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 56 (view)
 
Older Guy
Posted: 7/19/2009 11:10:47 AM
Move on and find a guy closer to your age. If he won't put a label on your "relationship" it just means he isn't into it or he is playing you. I am not one to say age matters, because it doesn't always matter, but come you are still a "kid" he is a grown man, it is quite possible he has a son that is older than you and a better match for you as a bf, husband, or whatever. LOL
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 42 (view)
 
10 yrs and 50 pounds
Posted: 6/5/2009 1:07:23 PM
There is no point. Once you meet it is quite obvious we are what we are.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 82 (view)
 
Cheating mother
Posted: 5/23/2009 3:33:48 PM
Well if mom is cheating the guy she is cheating with could also have other partners. Do you think it is possible he could contract an STD in the meantime and then give to "mom"? In other words she might be clean today and dirty tomorrow!
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 2 (view)
 
stay on a dating site?
Posted: 5/23/2009 3:27:22 PM
I think if you do decide to stay on, just need to make it clear in your profile that you found someone. Also might want to take into consideration how your S.O. feels about it and keep it in the open.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 76 (view)
 
Cheating mother
Posted: 5/23/2009 10:18:30 AM
You are right that people cheat for any number of reasons. But none of them make it right, cheating on your spouse or significant other is wrong. And I also believe it goes further than being about the "mother, father, and their relationship", other family member get hurt by these things. If that was the case the original poster wouldn't have written the original post to begin with.

My ex cheated on me, unfortunately my children were young at the time and we ended up divorcing, which would have probably happened anyway. But I have never spoken to my kids about their mother's cheating, lying, and deceitful ways. I am very confident if the roles had been reversed she would have painted me as the most evil man on the planet.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 62 (view)
 
I met a fantastic girl, saw her once, but I am married, what is my next step
Posted: 1/11/2009 12:02:01 PM
Well, he deserves to be flamed, regardless of the time that has passed.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 49 (view)
 
dating military boys!
Posted: 11/23/2008 1:24:35 PM
I have never seen so many generalized statements in one place. I spent 22 years in the Coast Guard and sure when a bunch of us got together we might have been a little louder than others in the bar, but the same can be said of any group of people that get together in a bar. When judging people you must judge them on a 1 on 1 basis.

In my year in the service I knew the guys that just want to get laid. I had two very good friends one them was forever cheating on his wife, the other would never think of it, he worshipped his wife. I knew guy that were very religous, others that claimed to be but were some of the most immoral people I know, knew athiest that were as moral as anyone I know. Oh and I knew guys that were also gay. So to put 'military boys'' in one category is totally wrong.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 2213 (view)
 
gun control in the usa
Posted: 11/15/2008 5:50:10 PM

By doing what, exactly? Making all guns illegal?


Typical post by someone with an extreme view or trying to distort someone elses point of view. Take one sentence out of a post four PARAGRAPHS long and make a counter-point. Did you even read my whole post and where I said I don't think guns should be banned? Probably did, but rebutting that one sentence was more effective if you left that out, isn't it? Problem is many of us aren't that dumb to buy your tactics and then there are those that oppose your view that will just fight harder and for a total ban, rather than seek some type of middle ground.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 2212 (view)
 
gun control in the usa
Posted: 11/15/2008 5:45:10 PM

Don't know where mjk lives, but around here unlawful use of a gun will get you time even if you are acquitted of other charges.


I live in NJ, I know illegal possesion or use of a gun will get you time regardless of other charges, but I don't know about many other states and exactly what their gun laws are, as each state has different laws. But hell, say they can get the guy on an additional federal charge in addition to any state laws already convicted of.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 2204 (view)
 
gun control in the usa
Posted: 11/15/2008 5:33:17 AM
First I believe in GUN CONTROL. Very few people want to ban guns, with the possible exception of assualt weapons. Gun control DOES NOT equal a ban on Guns. It means laws to govern who can and can not own guns, possible waiting periods for a purchase, licenses, permits, background checks, etc. For all you conservative out there would you want your favorite "domestic terrorist" William Ayers to be able to walk into the local gun shop and be able to walk out with a weapon in 10 minutes. How about the VA Tech shooter and his mental health issues, should he have been able to purchase those weapons and ammos legally? Or the suitcase killer in NJ who was able to buy a gun Pennsylvania to kill her husband using a fraudulant PA driver license?

I think we all know that the hardened criminal will find a way to get the guns, but that doesn't mean we should make it easier for them. Also, say some guy murders someone, but they are unable to convict on the murder charge, wouldn't it be nice to ATLEAST get them to do some time on some illegal guns charge?

Yes we have a right to bear arms, but shouldn't there be safeguards to atleast make it more difficult for those that shouldn't be able to buy a gun and also limits on what types of guns we need.

COMMON SENSE.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 297 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/11/2008 1:01:10 PM

6. The health care system will stagger and perhaps collapse.

This could be the straw that breaks the back of the insurance industry in Western nations, as millions of new dependents become eligible for coverage. Every HIV-positive patient needs only to find a partner to receive the same coverage as offered to an employee. It is estimated by some analysts that an initial threefold increase in premiums can be anticipated; even with that, it may not be profitable for companies to stay in business.

And how about the cost to American businesses? Will they be able to provide health benefits? If not, can physicians, nurses, and technicians be expected to work for nothing or to provide their services in exchange for a vague promise of payments from indigent patients? Try selling that to a neurosurgeon or an orthopedist who has to pay increased premiums for malpractice insurance. The entire health care system could implode

Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? I don’t know.


I didn't read the whole article that Southerlass posted, but of all the reasons that this individual cited this really jumped out at me. He/she make a claim that the increased cost of AIDS will skyrocket premiums? What about the cost that an insurance company incurs for a family of 8 or more, is it fair that they are paying the same premium as a family of 3? And what does indigent patients have to do with anything, one of the reasons health care cost so much is, hospitals have to charge more for the INSURED to offset the cost of the UNINSURED. I suspect this author knows this and is just using this a scare tactic to bolster his arguement.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 172 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/7/2008 1:09:55 PM

Let's review ... Nope, didn't say that at all. What I said, and I'm paraphrasing, is that all issues are intentionally framed as left leaning or right leaning. There truly is no centrist position on any issue other than total apathy, which of course results in a non-vote, since only Congress can vote "present". Offering the argument of "degrees" on any political issue is like claiming there are also "degrees" of pregnancy; and while this is a goofy parallel it works for this situation. While during gestation one can assert that they are a little pregnant, moderately pregnant or very pregnant, but when you filter it down to the black and white aspect, where an answer must be given as yes or no, the answer is always the same, either they are pregnant or they are not. Having a position on a singular issue that deviates from the party line does not in any way mean that a conservative is not a conservative or a liberal is not a liberal, it simply means that on a given issue their specific "needs" are not addressed by the party line they generally subscribe to. (and that is all it means)
Being in favor of an issue that in no way impacts you does not make you righteous or even open-minded, quite the opposite actually if when the issue does present with the potential to have an adverse affect you change your position while still clinging to the same political philosophy. The word most commonly used to describe such behavior is typically "hypocrisy" and it isn’t limited to one side of the fence, merely far more widely practiced and accepted on the left side of it. If you want to aid in the expansion of my vocabulary by offering a substitute word that is more palatable, please feel free, we're all here to learn!


Okay so here is where you are wrong. If this vote had been about whether or not to approve Gay Civil Unions the vote would have been different, might not have okayed Gay Civil Unions but the numbers would have been different. You also are making a generalized statement about liberals "if when the issue does present with the potential to have an adverse affect you change your position while still clinging to the same political philosophy" and call liberals hypocrits. The same general statement can be made of conservatives and that is where you are either bating or bashing liberals. So on that note, I will not respond to any of your other post.

Oh BTW your comparison of differing degrees of Pregnancy doesn't even come close to a working here.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 168 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/7/2008 11:13:30 AM

Rigggghhhhttttt...... There are only two sides to the fence, and when you sit on it - you either mount from the right or the left, this BS of "I'm a right leaning “moderate” but historically I always vote in favor of the liberal agenda" is completely nonsensical.


So what you are saying is that there is no differing degrees of liberalism or conservatism. You must the one !!!!! You want to know something, there are people that have liberal views on some issue and conservative views on others, it is just so simple as you would want to believe.


Completely arbitrary statistics … and while those fictitious statistics may bolster a baseless opinion, they have nothing to do with the simple fact that there are some regions of the country deeply entrenched in the liberal political philosophy, just as there are some regions deeply entrenched in the conservative political philosophy.
By the way, identifying specific traits of hypocrisy is not "bashing". If I point out that dogs have a penchant for licking themselves, it is not “dog bashing” it’s pointing out inherent traits. The same applies to the inherent traits of specific political philosophy, identifying that the socialist nature of supporting issues that require others to bare the financial burden is not “bashing” its identifying the intrinsic selfish hypocrisy of “All for one, so long as we’re clear I meant all of YOURS for one…”


Yes the numbers I posted where arbitrary, but since you are either unable to or refuse to look outside the box, they whole point is lost on you. Don't you know anyone that has conservative views, yet they also have liberal views on other issues. Don't you think these people exist? Hell, I think we need to totally overhaul welfare, if the individual is able to work, put them to work for the government, I don't care if it is picking up trash on the highways. I think prisoners have it too easy in prison. These are views that many of my liberal friends would argue with me about. I also think Marijuana should be legalized, guess my conservative friends would argue with me about that. So to simply say "liberals do this or that" can be bashing and that is what you are doing.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Until this morning...
Posted: 11/6/2008 3:46:35 PM
Stick with the bald head. I did it recently and every woman, except one says they like the new look. But I think my mom will get used to eventually, yeah she is the only woman I know that didn't like it. LOL And what difference does that make, she still HAS to love me. LOL
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 133 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/6/2008 3:36:16 PM

Actually a good many sources do attribute him with the snippet "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill.
Apparently its a derivation of a quotation from Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."

I’m a little unclear how knowing who said it determines its validity, to me it’s still a profound statement whether it was made by an obscure Frenchman, a drunken English politician or Norm from the end of the bar at Cheers….


It does matter who said, I recall an e-mail floating around a couple years back of quotes by famous people in history. The names were at the very bottom and you were supposed to guess who made each quote. It was pretty scarey when you realized Hitler made one of the more enlightening quotes.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 138 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 3:24:48 PM

Have you ever been to California?!?!?!?!? They vote liberal on EVERY issue that doesn't cost them money, and take the opposing position on everything that does no matter what the issue or whom it might hurt or benefit.


did you even read my post. just because a state leans heavily liberal doesn't mean the majority are liberal. The make up could be 15% liberal, 20% moderate leaning to left, 30% moderates, 15% moderates leaning right and 10% conservates. That means for the most liberal or even issues that will cause sacrifice they must convince to left leaning moderates and most of the moderates to vote along with them. Just as not clear cut as you want others to believe as you try to bash liberals.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 137 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 3:19:41 PM

What does six women have to do with polygamy, you assume that every polygamist gets married to 6 or more wives? There are polygamist that only get married to 2 or 3 wives. How do you know that they can't love them equally and why is that delusional? Is it delusianl to love a big family of 6 or more kids all equally? Since when does love have a limit on the amount of people that you can love equally?

If it wasn't amended then it can get overturned. Florida amended their ban on gay marriage which now makes it almost impossible to overturn by any judge in the future.


It isn't the number it is the plurality of it, whether it is 2 or 6 or 10, doesn't matter. And please don't compare the love a parent has for their children to the love they have for a woman. My parents have been married for over 56 years and dated for 4 years prior to that, he think she is the greatest gal on the earth, that is what true love and marriage is about. And guess what, there are gays out there that feel the same about their partners, I find it virtually impossible for a man to love more than one wife in such a way.

And like a said there are laws on the books in other states, so marriage isn't just limited to man and woman throughout the country.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 133 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 2:56:55 PM

Liberals seem to only embrace liberalism when it has no direct impact on them. They're in favor of "live and let live" for any group so long as they aren't Christian, or as long as the “freedoms” of others don’t encroach on their lifestyle...
Proposition 8 was defeated because the measure would result in a significant loss of tax revenue to the state, which, of course would require an across the board tax increase. They want everyone to enjoy rights and freedoms and seem to genuinely support them, as long as they can pay for it with some one else’s money, never their own... take the defeat of Proposition 7, it would have provided clean alternative energy sources for 20% of all electricity provided in CA. Global Warming didn't suddenly end on Monday at midnight; it was merely the startling revelation that THEY would have to pay for it, there was no one they could pass the investment costs on…


I am thinking the majority of liberals voted against Prop 8 and for Prop 7, I think they just convince enough moderates to go with them and outvote the conservatives.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 132 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 2:53:54 PM

Says who, you? Are you basing that on all polygamist like it's some sort of fact that all polygamist men aren't fully committed to their wives and they all have favoirtes? You don't know that. Did you do a survay of every single polygamist man that is married to more then one wife and asks them if he has a favorite?

Gays do not choose to be gay Do you have any proof of that? I personally have known gays that chose to be gay based on what happened in their lives that weren't always gay. Does that speak for all gays? No, but i'm certainly not going falsely proclaim that being gay isn't a choice either like you are when there isn't proof to justify either or.


Come you don't really believe that a man could love six different women equally, do you? If you do, then I would have to say you are delusional.


There is another opinionated statment. Yours isn't based on fact it's based on opinion as to mine is taken from content out of the dictionary that defines the current meaning of the def of marriage.


And mine is based on what the law in California was before a majority of people decided to deny some people the equal rights they deserve. Also there are a couple other states that have a similiar law on the books.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 128 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 2:23:27 PM

No, the point is So what if polygamy is more then one, who says that you are only allowed to get married to one person? You make the same argument against polygamy that people do against gay marriage by defining marriage between one man and one woman, it's hypcortical. Futhermore the def of marriage says nothing about the legal union of two of the same sex. So technically Gay Marriage doesn't mean 1+1 at all because the def of Marriage isn't in the correlation with two of the same sex.

Marriage- The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.


No my point is gay marriage is 2 people that love each other and committed to each other. Much like your traditional marriage. If a man has say 6 wives is he committed to each wife? Not really, I am sure he would have commitments to each and every one, but he would also have his favorite wife. Also, being Gay is NOT a choice, Gays do not choose to be Gay, no more than I chose to heterosexual.

The other thing that gets me is many have criticized gays for promiscuity over the years, yet when gays want to marry and make a lifelong commitment those same people want to deny them that right.


I understand it now that you worded it correctly, but it still doesn't justify the fact of what i stated above.


The reason it doesn't justify the "fact' you stated above is because your "fact" is actually an opinion.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 125 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 2:04:25 PM

Remember how many guys came out it favor of prop 187? Now look who provided the votes to pass 8, huge amounts of latino's! lol, I cannot even begin to belive were discussing such folly while our nation crumbles around us. RIGHTS LOL I love that word. There are no such things as RIGHTS. There are privalges handed from the strong to the weak. Its always been that way and it always will be. God I hate hyper dramatic queens waving signs and carry on about such non sense. Now we got old Barak who is really gonna get us Ba ROKE........


National Debt on 1/20/2001 5.7 trillion National Debt today 10.5 trillion. Don't think we have to worry about Barack getting us broke. The two biggest offenders of increasing debt are both Republicans. And don't give me that arguement about it being Congress fault, because one of them did it with a Democratic Congress and the other did it with a Republican Congress.

Give Obama a chance. I am afraid it is going to take a few years to get our economy turned around.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 131 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/6/2008 1:57:27 PM

Because it isn't true. I have heard that quote attributed to him before and also debunked. You were being smug.... and using a highly respected historical figure known for his straightforward style and intelligence (depends on who you ask of course :)) as some sort of backup for an insult is wrong. Would you have quoted it if Cindy the Stripper from New Jersey was the original author?


Hey what is wrong with Cindy, she has an MBA and realizes she can make more money taking her clothes off. LOL
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 130 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/6/2008 1:53:52 PM

3 questions....

1. Was Dole present in the studio when that ad was being produced & did she in any way engage in production & direction of the ad in any way?

Answer: NO

2. Since she had nothing to do with the production, did anybody who was involved in its production tell her that the last audio bit inserted at the end wasnt the voice of Hagan?

Answer: NO

Aside from implying, is there any video or audio identity of who said that last audio clip? In otherwords, was there an actual slanderous, libelous cited quotation in the video of who spoke that soundbite?

Answer: NO

Sleazy, yes, but I cant see this being pinned on Dole in court.


I am not saying it was outright lie, but it was certainly done with the intent to lead the voter to beleive that it was Hagen's voice. So it was definitely sleazy, whether there is anything legally wrong with it, I don't know. Was it morally wrong, IMO Yes.

As for Dole's culpability, just listen to the little voice over at the very end! "I'm Elizabeth Dole, and I approve this message" So yes she is responsible for the contents of the message, regardless of whether she was in the studio or not!
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 121 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 1:42:28 PM

20 years ago, I never would have believed we would be having this discussion today, but then again..

Did you think on Sept. 12'th 2001, we would be electing someone named Barack Hussein Obama?"


You are right, I would never have thought that someone named Barack Hussein Obama would be elected President of our Great Nation. Isn't it great to have such progress. Whistling just think we have made great progress over the years, because 100 years ago you wouldn't even have had the right to vote for Obama if you so chose to. Hmmm wonder how you would have felt to be denied such a right?
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 120 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 1:36:57 PM

Personally the "sacred" agrument always makes me laugh when it comes from someone who is divorced. Where's the sanctity in a divorce?


Actually the "sacred" arguement is more like the SCARED arguement.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 119 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 1:34:12 PM

Well that's contradicting considering that you are making the same arguments against polygamist marriages is that people are making against gay marriage.


No, it is NOT the same arguement. Gay Marriage is between two people! Polygamy is marriages involving multiple people. And all too often it involves minors that are under age and against their will.


Gay marriage is not like marrying across racial or religious lines either, but it is more similiar to either of them than it is to Polygamy


What......................?


Please tell me you did understand that. Well if not I will explain further. SEE ABOVE Simple math here 1+1=2 Gay marriage 1+1+1+1=4 Polygamy! Get it now?
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Until this morning...
Posted: 11/6/2008 11:02:46 AM

No dixie....
We need to be above the rhetoric and hate of the left. Show them their hate only breeds more of the same.
Give Obama a chance and WHEN he messes up...then go after him. I think the left are going to be in for a shock when and if he tells Pelosi, Reid and Barny lover of boys to back off. Ok...so I had to throw one last jab.lol


That is all we can ask, give him more of a chance than the right gave Clinton in 93, I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt when first elected. Didn't buy some of his proposals, didn't agree with many of the things he did. But he was always our president.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 106 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 10:27:56 AM

My, my am I touching a nerve here, is what I’m saying true to some degree that it offends you? Apparently. Do you not understand that if you allow gay marriage then people that want polygamy will want their marriages to be legal as well? Further more how is one minority like gay marriage any diff then another minority like polygamy marriage? You just contradicted yourself. You say one minority is ok but not the other? Thanks for proving my point.


Gay marriage is nothing like polygamy, that is so stratching it there is no point. Gay marriage is not like marrying across racial or religious lines either, but it is more similiar to either of them than it is to Polygamy.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 105 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 10:21:18 AM

So it is with Marriage and Civil Unions..domestic partnerships...Why cant they compromise and create a new tradition of their own instead of trying to change ours..Its about agenda..thats why.


I'll give you two reasons.

1. Because the far right has fought them on Civil Unions also.

2. Why should they compromise?
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 93 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/6/2008 3:22:28 AM

Wrong. The only reason this "discrimination" will be ruled unconstitutional is because the god of this world has the helm, at the moment. And while you celebrate him and his control over our country and world, do remember that this control won't last forever. There is a time limit to the slime that will be tolerated. There will eventually be an end and a bottom. So what the hay...enjoy yourself. How low can you go?

Liberals don't have a right to push their immoral agendas on the public school system. They don't like prayer in schools. They don't want God on the money, yet they think that they can push their perverted new idea of what marriage is supposed to represent onto the rest of us and our children. Seems to me that it's fine if they push their muck down our throats and our children's throats, but I'll be darned if they want God pushed down their's. Talk about a double standard! Can you spell "hypocrites?"


Wow, now please explain to me how gay marriage is pushing it down your throat. Will you be required to attend these weddings? I am straight and see no issue at all with gay marriage, the far right complains, about the promiscuity of gays, yet when a gay couple wants to take vows and make a commitment to each they don't want to forbid that too. And how will two gays marrying affect our marriages? Answer is it won't.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Fake flyers distributed in Virginia and Lousiana.
Posted: 11/5/2008 3:08:09 AM

It's sad that someone would stoop so low as to to do this, but it's even worse that people who would fall for this, are actually allowed to participate in the election process to begin with. No wonder we get such poor leadership (on average). The election process has been reduced to a popularity contest. The Cult of Personality.


I agree it is sad that someone would do this. But I don't think it is worse that people would fall for this and are allowed to vote. It is their right and a right we ALL deserve.


Oh for heavens sakes. I got the same "flyer" via internet only it was reversed, telling the Republicans to vote on the 5th, and recognised it for what it was--a funny joke. I just hope that everyone who is having fits over this actually got out and did something constructive instead of just participating in endless yakkavision debates, as in worked towards victory for whatever candidate(s) or issue(s) they were supporting.


This is anythiing but a funny joke, it is a concerted effort to prevent some folks from voting.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Funny radio prank
Posted: 11/4/2008 3:33:45 PM

All things considered, I think Palin could have pulled out a massive PR save on this. You could tell she wasn't done chatting when the aide came on the phone to hang up. I believe people in the room took over when Palin seemed to be a little good natured about it. If she had asked if Ashton Kutcher put them up to it, she swings some youth vote McCain's way.

I think she was catching on before they fessed up. If not, she was definitely believing Sarkozy was a fruit by then.


I am not convinced she was catching on. Listen to her response when they told her she had been pranked. And if she was catching on, she should have caught on a bit sooner.

Another poster said she is probably more competent at some thing he or any us probably aren't, but the difference is I know I am not qualified to be President of the U.S. and as VP she damn well better be qualified.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 109 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/3/2008 7:42:41 PM
{quote]Well I'm the one who was accused, but I guess the above statement actually does leave me out it. I've never had problem with "mjk21258" ... he's never "called me on anything" ... we get along fine ... at least I think we do. Hey "mjk21258 have you ever "called me on something"?

OT ...
WOW ... I'm so hurt.

I'm an Atheist and now I'm finding out that someone (Elizabeth) is using that (Atheist) as a label to slander somebody?

Naw, You and I are cool and frankly I can't remember who it was that threatened to report me. And since I knew I didn't do anything wrong I just thought it was funny.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Why Should Women Vote???
Posted: 11/3/2008 2:11:37 PM

Thus unfolded the 'Night of Terror' on Nov. 15, 1917, when the warden at the Occoquan Workhouse in Virginia ordered his guards to teach a lesson to the suffragists imprisoned there because they dared to picket Woodrow Wilson's White House for the right to vote. For weeks, the women's only water came from an open pail. Their food--all of it colorless slop--was infested with worms.


A dark and disturbing time in History. Ladies get out there and vote, regardless of your choice, just vote. Even if you write in Mickey Mouse. Be counted.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 2 (view)
 
Obama's grandmother passes away
Posted: 11/3/2008 2:07:37 PM

Regardless of how we feel about Obama and his politics...God bless him and his family during the loss of his grandmother


You are so right and I know you aren't a supporter of Obama's. I just hope everyone else can find what you have in your heart for Obama and his family.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Fake flyers distributed in Virginia and Lousiana.
Posted: 11/3/2008 1:35:16 PM

Hmmmmm. Listen: maybe if they're THIS gullible they shouldn't be running for high office:
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/133815


That is too funny. More and more I am convinced she is no where close to being qualified and never will be.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 103 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/3/2008 1:09:38 PM

Elizabeth Dole was wrong to endorse this kind of an add...no doubt. The political landscape is getting ugly on both sides..
Oh and by the way...Tattletales are running rampant in the forums nowadays...lol
Seems that folks are going after anyone who does not agree...oh well...such is life.


I agree on all your points on this post and you are right. Someone said they were going to report, don't know if she did or not, never heard anything. But she was angry cause I called her on something.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 99 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/3/2008 3:25:59 AM

Frankly sir, I really don't care what you feel regarding the ad. It makes no difference to me one way or the other. While I feel you are entitled to your own opinion, I happen to think the ad is perfectly acceptable and do not find anything the least bit sleazy about it; furthermore, I disagree that it alludes to Hagan being a non believer. It does nothing of the sort and I did not see it that way at all.

Yes, I do agree that it might have been more effective had she released it later where it could not be rebutted, but I trust in her knowledge enough to believe that she released it when she thought it should be released, despite what rebuttal might come back in return.

I also happen to admire and like Elizabeth Dole and I do not support "The Godless Americans." I would not support a politician that might be beholden to such a group, at least not knowingly. I think Dole was wise to make the voting public aware of Hagan's position in taking contributions from this atheistic group. And that is exactly the point of the ad.

You have your opinion and I have mine. Yours is accurate and valid for you, from your own perspective and perhaps the perspective of those who may agree with you. My perspective is mine and I feel that it is the more correct, and it is certainly just as valid.


Well, I will just refer to my previous post, because that dog just don't hunt.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 37 (view)
 
Troops support Obama by 6 to 1
Posted: 11/3/2008 2:29:11 AM

YOUR INSANE IF YOU THINK THE MILITARY SUPPORTS DEMOCRATS LOL. Have you even elisted? If so then you know that they hate them. Why would the military like a president that takes there jobs away? Clinton neutered the army and Bush rebuilt it. Obama will cut the military and McCain wants 150,000 troops added. enough said


I spent as many years in the service as you have been alive. There are plenty of democrats in the military, don't know what the numbers are, but there are many more than you think.

As for "Clinton neutered the army and Bush rebuilt it", well Clinton did far more for the individual that served than Bush has, unless you call sending them to war based on lies has doing them good.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 97 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/3/2008 2:15:13 AM

I suggest you listen to the ad again. You are wrong. Nowhere in the ad did Dole say that her opponent was godless. She was not talking trash and everything she said was accurate, from my perspective. I really don't intend to respond to anymore of your posts, as I told you on that other board we're both using. You truly behave like a troll and I refer to very few people in that regard, but in this case the shoe fits.


I have listened to the ad, it might not come out and SAY she is Godless, but by having her picture in the frame as a woman at says "God does not exist" certainly implies that her opponent does not believe and leaves the impression to many folks that it is in fact her saying it and is her belief. This AD would have been much more effective if they had waited til yesterday or today to run and not given her opponent time to rebut it. But anyway you slice it, it is a sleazy AD and if you are educated and have common sense you have to know that too. So, either you aren't as smart as you claim to be or you think we are stupid if you think we believe you that the Ad isn't wrong and sleazy!
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 88 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/2/2008 7:21:33 PM

I respect your right to your own opinion as you are certainly entitled to it, however you are mistaken about the education factor you bring up as Charles holds a Bachelors degree and I hold a Masters degree and that is the fact of the matter. If you find his opinion to be "more educated" than mine, then I believe that the more accurate truth is that you simply prefer an opinion that is closer to your own.


having a Masters Degree doesn't necessarily make you more educated in when discussing certain topics. I had a debate couple years ago with a woman that was college educated with a degree, she wouldn't date a man that wasn't because she felt he would be unable to discuss current affairs with her. Well I have some college, no degree, I asked her a few basic questions and proved to her that she knew less about current affairs than I do. So your point of bachelor degree vs. masters, doesn't hold water if you ask me.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Latest Obama endorsement: McCain Advisor!
Posted: 11/2/2008 8:44:29 AM

I will give you a link that is very telling.Former Obama speech writer Wendy Button has swapped to McCain here is the link:www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-28/so-long-obama/1/ - 85k -

Take the time to read the entire three page declaration and maybe you will see into the campaign a lot deeper.


Didn't open up to three page, but what I could read sounds to me like it may just be a case of a disgruntled former employee or a woman that got her feeling hurt. Sure the Obama campaign has gone after Hillary and Sarah Palin, but haven't they also gone after other opponents, haven't their opponents gone after them. If you haven't noticed most women aren't buying all these accusations of sexism aimed at the Obama camp, simply because there is no meat to them.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 84 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/2/2008 6:20:55 AM

Any Christian that uses Christianity for their own for personal power and greed isn't a true follower of Jesus Christ to begin with and there for isn't a true Christian.


And I would have to say the Elizabeth Dole's ad criticizing and implying that her opponent doesn't believe in God, would fit into that category then.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 72 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/1/2008 7:38:22 PM

hear everyone going on about the voice at the end, but I didn't take that at all the way the rest of you are taking it. It appeared to me that the one saying "there is no god," is the blonde woman from the Godless Americans in the video, not Hagan. I think Elizabeth had the voice at the end to remind everyone as the video is ending about the impact of the Godless Americans on Kay Hagan and to point out that the Godless Americans may demand favors from Hagain in return for their support.

Honestly, I don't see a thing wrong with this video and personally, I think it is very important that Hagan is taking money from this group. I would never vote an atheist into office, knowingly. And I wouldn't be happy about a person being beholden to one.

It's a personal matter for me. I don't believe an atheist would have the kind of judgment that is necessary to make good decisions for the public or the country. No, I would not trust one who doesn't believe in God to manage much of anything to do with the country I love for a moment. There is too wide a divide, too much of a communication gap, and the judgment factor is simply not what it needs to be. I understand this opinion will not be popular here, but it is mine nevertheless.


The AD is wrong, regardless of how you interpret there are MANY folks that interpret it differently and as if it is Hagen denying the existance of God!

As for someone needing to believe in God to make the correct decisions for this Country, well it certainly didn't work for good ole Dubya did it. And what God do they need to believe in? Give me an intelligent Atheist over an idiot of any faith any day, actually it doesn't matter to me, just so the individual is intelligent and puts country first. And I would prefer they leave their religion at home or their house of worship.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 59 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/1/2008 5:36:50 AM

Geez… what a wonderful thread… created by a Canadian as a “bait and switch” to first slam US Senator Dole, then go on a tirade about Christians vs. atheists… expounded on by exact same fishies that just love to stir-up hate-mongering in similar threads… AND from everywhere else… maybe one from North Carolina (angelsands), who could actually vote this lady out of office.

Congratulations, you prove that nonsense is universal, how emotion can triumph over intellect, and why many of these so-called “political” threads should be deleted.


Could your problem with this thread actually be that is points out the hypocrisy of the far right and yes I do realize there is hypocrisy that comes from the far left also.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 11/1/2008 2:51:59 AM

There is a limit to this "tolerance" you speak of. Many Americans have become so politically correct and so open minded that their brains are falling out. Tolerance doesn't equal immorality, nor does it equal extreme radicalism that seeks to take away traditional biblical faith and replace it with some watered down new age philosophy. We are all allowed to worship and believe as we please, how we please, where we please.

When you ask the question, "are we becoming our own enemy," I suspect that there will come a time when the people who hate religion with a passion create what they envision as the perfect faith, and it will be a kind of new age philosophy that we are beginning to see so much of. It will be "the intelligent, intellectual man's faith," or perhaps no faith at all is the faith of the future.

There are just as many people who do not believe who are "demonizing" those who do have faith, on a daily basis. I've seen it happen regularly on POF and countless other sites. I believe this demonization will eventually take the form of senseless violence as the faithless attempt to wipe out the faithful. It is my opinion that this is only a matter of time before this occurs.


Okay there are a few that may demonize the faithful. But most of us, liberals, moderates, Atheist, Christians, Jews, Hindis, etc. only have a problem with the Evangelical that is trying to ram their version of religion down our throats. I won't discuss my personal beliefs here, because I feel they are totally irrelevant. But I will use my boss as a perfect example of what I am referring to, he attends Church every sunday, is very active in his church on many committees, help out in many ways. It is a Christian Church, yet he has a huge problem when someone like the neo-cons and evangelicals try to impose religion on others via the government. He is just one of many that I know that feel this way.

Does Prayer belong in public school? Absolutely NOT. Should the Government back faith based iniatives? Absolutely NOT, and many of the Nations Religous Leaders agree. Should we be able to Worship as we see fit? Absolutely YES! The last point is what makes many (including Christians ) fear the Christian Right, Evangelicals, and Neo-Cons.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 45 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 10/31/2008 12:40:39 PM

Most Obama supporters absolutely do not care what he does. They don't care if he lies, cheats, steals, misrepresents, hangs out with dubious, extreme, radical elements


See this is why statements like the one above are a waste of time for most of us, because I could take the same comment and just change one word, the name and it would be just as applicable.

Most McCain supporters absolutely do not care what he does. They don't care if he lies, cheats, steals, misrepresents, hangs out with dubious, extreme, radical elements
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 10/31/2008 12:30:10 PM

Lets break down the def of slur

Slur- An insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo : aspersion b: a shaming or degrading effect : stain , stigma

There are atheists out there that do find it "insulting" if you told them that they are children of God. Which is why I asked him if he was offended by that statement. One of my co-workers for example is an atheists and he does get offended by statements like that.


But that is not what the other poster was insulted by, he/she was insulted by the fact that many see being an Atheist as bad. I know a few Atheist that are much better people than your average person that believes in God regardless of faith.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 43 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 10/31/2008 12:22:45 PM

NO he uses his own voice to lie. I hardly see the relevant difference. But hey, it's what politicans do.


When ANY politician lies it is wrong, but when they take a sound bit from one person making a statement and don't indicate they are saying then put your opponent's picture up there to make people believe he/she is making the statement that is quite different and far worse in my opinion. As someone else stated, they didn't see anything wrong with the ad until they saw they rebuttal from Ms. Hagen.
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 42 (view)
 
Elizabeth Dole: Lying Trash.
Posted: 10/31/2008 12:18:12 PM

This is NOT what Christians believe. You have to come to the Father by faith in His Son, Jesus, to be considered His children. All the rest are considered His creations. Big difference. [/quote}

Your post should have read, This is NOT WHAT ALL Christians believe! There are some Christians that do believe all people are God's children. There are many different interpretations to the Bible, why do you think there are so many different Christian Religions.
 
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