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 pappy009
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Can preparing a natal horoscope for a person be reasonably called an intimate encounter?
Posted: 6/30/2012 10:03:47 PM
--Math isn't science either---
My cousin plans out factories for a living, he mathematically has to "Find Out" the various times to co-ordinate the machinery. Hes been all over the world..hes classified a Scientist, he uses math constantly...Science is about "Finding Out"
 pappy009
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Can preparing a natal horoscope for a person be reasonably called an intimate encounter?
Posted: 6/30/2012 10:00:05 PM
--I have refused to do charts on people who are so frail of personality, that they can not handle negatives,--
Hay wrote this, excellent example. When your with these types of people, you explain that the negatives are defensive in nature. Oppositions are confrontations but offer exchange. Squares create conflicting situations due to insecurity dealing with the planets. Such as Uranus squaring Saturn...these people rarely fit in but gain thru competing at there particular level they can succeed and gain. Houses and sign color the rest of the aspect. You have to be detached if not you feel there emotions and will tend to be less objective. Your not doing your client any good by being intimate in such a manner...you develop techniques in explaining the chart.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Can preparing a natal horoscope for a person be reasonably called an intimate encounter?
Posted: 6/30/2012 9:36:36 PM
--Are you saying that it's a science because there's math involved?--
Math is science.

You obviously do not study astrology. Theres six of us who constantly write each other about new "Paradigms" in astrology. We study asteroids, trans pluto planets, even mythical points such as Parts, as part of Joy or part of Fortune that are quite accurate.

--Two people WILL see the Xray chart the same way.--
There is no comparison of an X-ray and a chart. Now you answer me this, I have had at least 20 X rays on my back in the last 8 yrs, the last doctor was the only one that found my problem, the others missed it...my friend, had x Rays on her lungs, found nothing, she said she had cancer the doctors didn't believe her, guess what. Doctors are people too.Ever hear the phrase "get a second opinion".

---To respond to the OP's question, any interview where people open up their innermost desires/demons, regardless of pretext, would be very intimate.---

They Tell me nothing, I do the talking, you don't know what your talking about. You don't go and get a chart read and tell the astrologer anything. Your personal life is not my business, energy patterns are. They will ask a question like, is that court date good for me, or I got an operation on this day is it a good time, etc...other than that, I do the talking. Business men who want to know when to start a new project...big money involved. I do lawyers, two Judges, politicans municipal one, business people etc etc. People who got money. What was it JP Morgan said, Millionaires do not have astrologers, Billionaires do.


--"The goal is not to be in the majority, but to avoid the ranks of the insane." - Marcus Aurelius--

So if all scientist say the sky is blue there insane. Marcus Aurelius was a politician and that statement is political. Hes talking about thinking out of the box. The majority of the people are obviously not insane. The Idea of "Insane" is sarcasm not medical. Find some other metaphor.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Evolution vs Creationism/Intelligent Design
Posted: 6/30/2012 9:00:13 PM
---Far from being unfathomably astronomically impossible, the experiment was first attempted successfully in 1952.---
Who did the first experiment that created all this. There were no people around, it was random. We had to learn and understand the science before we could do the experiment. But the experiment lets us know that it can happen. So the people doing the experiment created the protein...people created the protein. Thats intelligent design, they knew what they were going for and were successful.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Evolution vs Creationism/Intelligent Design
Posted: 6/30/2012 8:48:08 PM
“Thomas Kuhn has eloquently shown that scientists’ preference for one paradigm over another is determined by a host of nonscientific, nonempirical factors. As noted earlier, Bohm also points out that there is no scientific evidence that argues for the dominant fragmented scientific world view over Bohm’s hypothesis of undivided wholeness. However, while scientific evidence offers no help in this regard, other forms of evidence may, indeed, shed some light on the matter. Mystical and spiritual teachings down through the ages have spoken about the fundamental interconnectedness of all things and that the microcosm somehow contains the macrocosm.”

'sardonicism' umh. When I left College, within a few yrs. what we studied in Science was already outdated. I find studying ancient cultures and beliefs much more rewarding for me. Reading Joseph Campbell was a joy. Mythology is a form of experience in story form...I also believe it was David Bohn stated that, not sure of the wording now..that "nothing exist without some form of consciousness observing it", these arguments on Creationism/evolution to me are nonsense, the change in Consciousness is what interest me. mankind's consciousness has expanded more in the last 20 yrs than the previous 6000, that does not fit in with Evolutionary process of the time line. Evolutionary wise we are acceleratingly conscious awareness.

Demigod....genesis 2 is a mirror image of Genesis 1, (microcosm somehow contains the macrocosm.” )
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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GMO issue.
Posted: 6/30/2012 6:55:00 PM
Dead on Aires...the GMOs are being created to use specific patented products to grow the food. That does not mean that the food is good for us, just the pesticides. I like to see long term studies...there is no hurry to change the food supply at this time. Its not needed. I was a bee keeper yrs ago...to day the bees are dying...I think its the nicotine in the pesticides..but I really don't know...but the bees are dying at an alarming rate. We need bees. There is something amiss. And I don't trust the Government for the truth.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Socially Constructed Idea of Race
Posted: 6/30/2012 6:43:02 PM
Socially Constructed Idea of Race---this is a legal concept not a genetic one. If it was "Genetic Constructed Idea of Race"...then yea.
 pappy009
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Can preparing a natal horoscope for a person be reasonably called an intimate encounter?
Posted: 6/30/2012 5:19:51 PM
Of course its a science, just not accepted as one. Its mathematical and you study energy patterns called houses and the effects of certain planets (energy) in that house and relating it to you client. Its architectural in nature and every bit scientific as Reading An X-ray. No two people will ever read the chart the same as each other, because no two people are the same. After 40 yrs of study and 35 yrs practicing, people still ask me if I believe in Astrology. And the people I deal with in the field all think the same as me...everything is astrology.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years
Posted: 6/30/2012 4:59:45 PM
Western Civilization is based on law Anglo Saxon Common Law. Muslims come in all colors same with Christians. Immigrants seem to like our legal systems. If western society crumbles its because we changed the law. My great aunt had 16 kids good Catholic. My mom had 2. Once these people get a good life style then the birth rate drops. Areas like China and Japan plus India, I feel are at risk because of there populations, imagine a plague breaking out in those countries. Its happened time and again in human history.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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There is no such thing as time, and thus no such thing as death
Posted: 6/30/2012 4:38:01 PM
We create a method called time which in itself is a commercial value, the Gregorian Calendar is based on commerce, time to go to work time to go home. Sunup Sundown. What Al is getting at is that there is this energy called consciousness that does not die, but transforms into something else. Al believed in a Source or G-d energy not a personal being. So he references it in a manner that is philosophically scientific. As long as your stuck in this body, then you experience this reality in that form. The energy moves forward and not back. No sense bringing in Quantum thinking until proven fact is established.
I was in an accident once..I saw the car coming right at us in our car, knowing it was going to hit us..Time slowed down...I watched that car come right at us at half speed. Now that to me is in line with Quantum theory, but it was experienced consciously. No one was seriously hurt. I am sure many people have experienced the same thing. Einstein was fascinated with the human mind, the imagination. The Human mind is capable of slowing down time and I experienced that. As many others have. I after that experience, I believed what he was getting at..about the power of the mind. Quantum is to me our imagination. Putting it into concrete reality is the test.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Evolution vs Creationism/Intelligent Design
Posted: 6/28/2012 6:38:08 PM
Genesis is a copy of ancient Sumer tablets. 6000 yrs ago. Abraham was a Sumer. Thats why!
 pappy009
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Can preparing a natal horoscope for a person be reasonably called an intimate encounter?
Posted: 6/28/2012 6:33:16 PM
I have been reading charts for 35 yrs now...in order to do a good chart you must be detached from who your reading it for. Its the only way to say what needs to be said. I have done charts for all types and professions, including Bikers who were going to jail...I have a few of those guys too! The air gets a little thick with these guys. But there fun.
No ohbi, its not intimate, its business. If you got the knowledge use it.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Socially Constructed Idea of Race
Posted: 6/28/2012 6:19:07 PM
A Socially Constructed Idea of Race...I hope your question is about Socially Created idea of Race...a good example is the Constitution of the US and the Bill of Rights....thats one we all know...Canada's Constitution and Charter of Rights...these are social constructs. Race would have to fit in as the acceptance of creed, sex..etc...compounding different groups into a super group...sub groups under social conditions and acceptance of those conditions to form the mass. If at any time that portions of the mass were to be eliminated such as a deluge, then the races would mix, and form a new race, eventually under the same constructs. This has been going on for thousands of yrs. Its not new...ask a Mongrel...all of us. At one time or another they were mixing up the genes. The social constructs turned into religions.
 pappy009
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Citizen PBC FL & USA & World on WWW
Posted: 6/28/2012 5:46:07 PM
There is no choice for the future but to have some form of free energy...we have no choice. The wars and all pollution comes from energy. Just imagine what that would be like. A free energy device. You could live anywhere, you do not need to work a full 40 wk no more. Or not work at all in the main stream. No radiation....its a nice dream.
 pappy009
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There is no such thing as time, and thus no such thing as death
Posted: 6/28/2012 4:47:15 PM
My observation:
The future, the past is all here now...Is time real, Sure, time is motion without motion there would be no time or 4th dimension space...it would be stillness. Time is measurement we use. Time is forward, like energy going forward, as in Zen the Life stream...constant movement forward. As you experience it, you create the past, and you only experience it in the now, therefore the Past present and future are in the now. Death I feel is a transition, we move into a new element no different than this one. When born, on the first breath, DMT floods the brain, this introduces the new "Unit of Observation" into the body of here. The DMT slowly wears off and that Unit of Observation adjust to a new reality. Grow old, and the body wears down, on death, the body again floods the Brain...the pineal gland...with DMT again to reintroduce the Unit of Observation into a new realm death. That Unit of Observation is consciousness or soul and continues indefinitely, from one Quantum reality to another to anther...in Sant Mat they are called Planes science like its own name quantum densities. Or Many Mansions, or the Stairway to Heaven.
 pappy009
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Can culture advance without religion?
Posted: 6/28/2012 3:10:29 PM
As long as we remain social creatures we will always have culture if religion is an aspect of it, then it is so. Religion is like anything else, social consciousness, we've seen it change over the yrs. What bothers me is the type of culture we create one that gives or one that takes...as I see it to day we are more takers than givers...mass marketing I suppose. But empires that were takers in time always fell. I like to see one were we don't rape the world.
 pappy009
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Evolution vs Creationism/Intelligent Design
Posted: 6/28/2012 2:57:29 PM
Just a thought: Evolution is in the first book of Genesis the 7 days, you'd think all the scientific minds would see that. What does it take to make energy into matter. Thats explained in the first few verses of Genesis, no hoky poky, Heaven is anti matter and earth is matter...the Sumers who related this never used English as the language. And Darkness was upon the face of the deep, simply means no Awareness no knowledge no form, and the G-d said let there be light...Consciousness...awareness...and from that point on, matter took form and shape and life entered matter. And with the first cell was the blueprint of what follows all in its own form. Until the top of the food chain. And in my understanding what the Sumer were trying to say is that existence was created by Mind. The thought (Word) was the vibration that created all matter.
Its like this, desire, its not the chemicals in you that creates the desire, the desire itself creates the chemical reaction in you. Its a thought first. And there are other clues hidden in the bible that gives us an understanding. Such as "I am that I am"..Don't get me wrong this is not religious thinking here. Strictly analytical, that expression would represent to me the idea of a Mirror Image..Image as a replica. And that man is the G-d of this world in the image of what created him/her. Were does Evolution bring into context the idea of Consciousness, Intent and desire. The Sumers ascertain that these are the elements that created this reality. Consciousness in the environment creates the intent of survival and the desire to do so. And thats ego...ego is what you need to survive. So all life has ego. Without it you wouldn't survive.
For me this element we call G-d, to me is not a personal being, not a infomercial from a televangelist passing the plate. Every aspect of our lives we have hucksters and cons...anyone who decides on that bases is not looking at all the concepts. For me there is diffidently an energy that was responsible for all this, this is not happenstance. The math the science, its understanding is all uniform, like a vibration (word, sound).
Science is just one path in this reality. Some people need that, some people need religion too. This argument of Creationism or Evolution is nonsense...Intelligent Design is a scientific term not a religious one. The Creationist grasp on to the idea just like the Pope did. The Idea of Intelligent Design was viewed and understood by scientist, physicist. Why do you think there looking for a G-d particle. Would n' the G-d particle be the Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end...answer solved kind of event. Isn't eternity just an understanding that we will never know all that exist.
The bible is the genetic history of a certain strain of mankind from a experiment called Adam and down, and that experiment branched off into different directions...clans of families...but its specific that one particular line was to get certain gifts such as prophets. Once you understand what those guys were saying you would really be stunned. Just the idea of the king lines that were in conflict in those times and it is still going on because of the same bad blood, or family lines..Sunni, shia, Kurds Palestinians, Edomites etc...still going on with different names. And now with all the diggings and new artifacts to back up the bible is astounding. How can you be so naive. Somewhere someone did a calculation of what it would take for certain elements to come together to form a protein. The number is astronomical, unfathomable for that to just happen. One Protein.
I started reading this on page 29 or so, why is it that atheist are so condescending, none of you can back up your understanding and thats all it is, personal understanding. Why don't you argue gravity, you can't see it either so it doesn't exist.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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GMO issue.
Posted: 6/28/2012 10:39:58 AM
The FDA, in the states is full of ex Monsanto Executives....Jiperty...you check it out...don't be lazy now. Its a fact. So if you want some government organization to prove or show proof of GMO food risks...well you can forget it. Plus Monsanto is a large organization that makes major bucks...I am sure many representatives have money invested in these corporations, don't expect the truth.

There are hundreds of studies world wide that prove the instability of GMO foods and the harm they have done..such as loss of Sperm in young men...fertility Clinics are booming, Viagra anyone...hybrid is just as bad...look at the wheat we eat high in Gluten..obesity..diabetes..you want the proof just look at how many people suffer from these maladies. Hybrid grass in Texas has turned into cyanide and killed the cattle on one farm and found out on other farms that the grass is giving off Cyanide...

Hybrid and GMO grass study and the advent of toxic pesticides
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/07/engineered-bluegrass/

Sometimes it isn't the grass but the pesticide that kills us because we have to use it.
http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2011/08/the-frankenlawn-update-wheres-the-outcry-to-stop-gmo-grass-seed/

Sometimes its the Hybrid done by HUMANs thats the problem
http://www.examiner.com/article/gmo-food-hybrid-poison-grass-that-kills-texas-cattle-not-genetically-modified
http://www.examiner.com/article/gmo-food-hybrid-poison-grass-that-kills-texas-cattle-not-genetically-modified

Hybrids that are natural take thousands of yrs for nature to produce because nature also creates it enemies such as disease..these hybrid created by nature have already been tested by nature to resist those diseases. Naturally!! without Science...

Lets look at Corn
http://www.raw-wisdom.com/50harmful.
http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/09/gm-corn-poses-health-hazard.aspx

GMO are the extension of Hybrid science...I got absolutely no faith in Science unless its for 'NOT MAKING PROFIT SCIENCE" that tells us the truth. Don't expect the government to say anything, they might lose votes. Now there are pros and cons to the argument of GMOs, I prefer a longer study to possible side effects not a month or two on Rats. Those, I am going to save the world scientist, that work for the corporations I feel sometimes needs there head examined. "Look at what we did, put a scorpion gene in Tomatoes that resisted the blyte...Growing apples that don't bruise...really....Watermelon without seeds..so you can't plant them...etc etc"...the control of all the food and seed is not what we should be trying to create. Corporatization is a disease. Ever wonder where all the radiation went after the testing of above ground atomic weapons went...all over the US and Canada...right after that Cancer became a plague and a hole in the Ozone.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Stephen Hawking: God Did Not Create the Universe
Posted: 4/16/2012 12:14:16 PM
Why does a G-d have to be a deity. Who ever said that G-d lives behind a cloud. Who ever said that G-d has to be a personal being. Who said that there is a G-d particle, when or if G-d is the creator of particles why does G-d have to be a particle. I don't agree with atheistism, but they got the right to there understanding. Maybe G-d didn't create the universe, but then what did.

---That is, obviously, not true.---
Prove it.
Did space exist before the universe. Prove it.

---Yahweh is alleged to be omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient.---
Lets boil that down to one element...Isness, You is, I is, we all is..lol..try to grasp there language and then you can see what there intent was with this saying.

---Yet he was so incompetent in his creative abilities that he had to throw up his hands and drown his creation like kittens in a toilet - and in a petulant fit of rage.---
At the time of this sort of chaos, do you think the people of the middle east who wrote this were aware of Alaska, or Terra del fuago...they are talking about what happened to them. If there world was to collapse than thats the whole world according to them. CNN didn't exist at the time. Gee could it have been a tidal wave or an asteroid hitting the earth.

--This all-powerful deity is a bumbling buffoon.--
Yes nature is truly flawed..if indeed a g-d created it.
When your kids grew up were you around them everyday of there lives after they get married and have kids...I am sure you weren't...you allowed them to make there own mistakes did you not...so lets try to manifest this into the understanding that A G_D (whatever a G-d is) allows you that also. Funny how mankind is truly the flawed spieces here. The thing is that for some reason, mankind does not belong on this planet...

---This all-powerful deity is a bumbling buffoon.--
Imagine a world or people created perfect. What would be the point of the creation.

I disagree with Steve Hawkins, Something, which in our reality might be nothing, but in another reality, could have created this universe..it just didn't come along hap-haphazardly.
If the argument is about a G-d then why use the bible, a created book by the Romans to harness the people of the time from the anarchy of Gnostic Christianity. Or Greek, Egyptian Gnostcism. The reason for the burning of the Alexandrian Libraries..Try studying vedic literature then pose the argument. Like, get other sources. It get kind of boring arguing a G-d concept with people that have only one beef against religion...what does religion have to do with a G-d. its our construct.
 pappy009
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Can culture advance without religion?
Posted: 4/16/2012 8:17:11 AM
I think the question really is, can culture advance without politics.
If everyone who followed the principals of there religion, then there would be no war.

Religion is a formula, take the Christian religion. They promote the idea that if your not a good person, G-d will punish you and you will end up in hell. This gives way to the idea that if you do not follow the direction of the political view then you will go to jail. Both are there for control. Yet the Christian religion is based on a guy, Jesus, who was an Anarchist who stated very clearly the fact that. You and G-d are one, that no King, Queen, Judge, cop, cleric, priest etc..has authority over you, only G-d. That the 10 commandments can be boiled down into Do unto others...which when you think about it means "Do no Harm". Yet we got these evangelist who want to nuke Iran. Is that religion or politics.

The same goes with Islam, its not the religion of Islam to cut off heads, thats the culture. Tribal culture no different than Christian tribal culture. Christians use to burn people.

I often wonder, how many people did the Lord God have killed in the old testament as compared to Lucifer. Shocking if you read it...maybe the Lord God is satan and we have been deceived...but at this point in time, with science and technology and the search for what is real, in our culture to day, religion is becoming history. People are more savvy today, the superstitions are now up to scientific examination.
There is only one religion "Mankind" so when a guy like Jesus says, I am the son of Man, he never said he was the son of G-d. What does that leave you with..Culture. Culture has its beliefs. Buddhism is not a religion, its a belief and culture. Christianity never became the culture. Money did. And its become that way in the Middle East. And that is Politics.

I love Van Gogh, just love his paintings. You can see the Spirit and energy in his work. That is culture, that is spirituality without politics. All artist are that way. Art is both culture and spirituality. Religion will give way to Ultraism eventually. People are losing interest in religion. Going to church and listening to the preacher or whomever has become something like watching the same movie over and over again for two thousand yrs....UNLESS..there is a spiritual connection, and once that is made, religion means nothing. Time to practice what you preach without obstacles. The Spiritual experience is your Culture.

So Culture will advance without Religion (politics), but culture will never advance without Spirituality. IMHO
 pappy009
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Spirituality and attraction
Posted: 4/16/2012 7:31:35 AM
--I'm curious, do spiritual people here look beyond the physical aspects when measuring attractiveness of someone?--
--What is the spiritual view on all this?--

The impression I get from your question is that Spiritual matters are seperate from physical matters. Being a human being is a spiritual experience. Is there really a separation. It matters not if you believe in a "something". The funny thing about love, is that some people tend to see relationships as property. Its like clothes, the better I dress the more successful I look and feel. And its true, if you focus your attention on your Ego. When people are this way, the relationship becomes clothing and clothing never last. Then again theres another way of looking at this, what if you wore clothes that made you happy instead of significant. Happy is obviously better, wouldn't you say.
Imagine driving down the street, you glance over to park bench, you see two very old people sitting there man/wife and they are holding hands. That to me is one of the most beautiful expressions of love. And then it clicks, Love is when you care about someone, more than you care about yourself. Those two thru the yrs had there ups and downs, had their time raising children, in and out of jobs, struggles. Its a matter of, that other significant is the reason I am happy to be here, now!
I once asked some friends of mine, what is it that you want out of your relationship. The men boiled it down after a while with this conversation. What they desired or wanted wasn't only a physical relationship, what they wanted is. "I want my family to be happy, my wife, my kids and so on". What the ladies said was the same but with a twist, a good twist. They seem to be happiest when they know that there man is taking care of them the way a woman can take care of a man. The way a woman takes care of her children from that man. What the ladies wanted was a Secure Relationship. In a relationship as such, there is no Ego.
This made me think that there is only one true relationship between people and that is spiritual. Body, mind and Soul. If one of these elements is missing, your in for a rough road. That does not mean that sometime in your life that these three objectives will not manifest if they were not present in the begining. Thats where comprimise comes in, the Ego is put aside. The bond becomes secure.
All relationships are spiritual in nature, maybe not in substance. One that lacks substance does not last. With every mistake you learn.
Everything you do is a spiritual experience.
Reminds me of something I read...bear with me...
When a lion eats a man, the lion becomes the man, when a man eats a lion then the lion becomes a man....the lion is your Ego. What part of you is in control.
So you can see, the "Way I Think of This" is. Its a spiritual love that is without Ego. Were not animal preserving our spieces in a bush. We are spiritual being experiencing a physical life with physical instincts and a mode of survival called Ego. Once that is put to rest, then you are free.
Spiritual love is when you love someone more than you love yourself. Just like two old people holding hands on a bench.
 pappy009
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Nothing unphysical exists
Posted: 4/15/2012 5:53:17 PM
Nonexistence=nothing=no knowledge
Existence=something=knowledge

How can one experience nonexistence. Only thru consciousness. Nothingness exist because Something does exist. The more we experience Something the further away nothingness is. Can consciousness be nonexistent. How can one experience or know of Nothingness consciously, without consciousness. So how can consciousness exist in nothingness. All that exists is consciousness. The word or thought itself is contradictory to the very nature of the word nonexistent or nothingness because we are conscious we cannot comprehend nothingness.
 pappy009
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Jiddu Krishnamurti?
Posted: 4/15/2012 4:17:29 PM
I've read Krishnamurti while studying Sant Mat Yoga..same and similar understanding. These concepts or teachings are all related to Gnostic or Gnosis that go back thousands of yrs before the bible or any other writings. Root of Krishnamurti are the Vedics.
The understanding is sound, very familiar with early Christian Gnostics before the church. The practice is hard..mental, emotional detachment of the physical world can be relieving but there is always something here that pulls you in. Bottom line is that you must defeat your Ego. We know that but, what does that leave is a Unit Of Observation..you. If your familiar with the comic Bill Hicks and his RIDE statment or skit, I think that gives us the best type of association to what most of these teachers are trying to say...Life is a Ride..your just passing thru, kind of Idea.
Kirpal Singh is another great writer. A really good book, on the web and free is Sri Yukeswar the "Holy Science" he was the teacher of the guy who wrote AutoBiography of a Yoga and his teacher (Guru) was Babaji...I suggest the read...it will kind of blow your hair back when he describes that our Solar system is part of a Binary star system with Sirius..Sirius seems to be a significant star to the Egyptians, this will tell you why. I suggest this book to a number of people and they all loved it.
To bad there are not enough people suggesting good reading or study.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Laws - do they really represent their societies moral & ehtical values?
Posted: 1/11/2012 5:06:25 PM
I don't care what planet you live on...what society you live in...or what ever you see...there is only one law in the universe.....DO NO HARM...the rest is up to you...if you want to live in a world controlled by corporate lawyers...economist....CEO...thats your business...but I believe in...:DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU... it couldn't be plainer...if some guy wants to drink himself to death...what is it your going to do.....

of course they will tell you how to park your car of else you'll get a ticket...they create laws because they want you to be there children like Child of the State....Child of the Province..etc....

They create these laws for control...just like religion
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Dec 25th new Son or new Sun
Posted: 12/31/2011 10:40:13 AM
Yrs ago I read Samuel Noah Kramers book on the Sumerians...it blew me away. From that point on I was driven to learn more... and of course I did...I like the way you put it together on the post....if more people really got into this I am sure the fantasy of religion would be the reality of there being....Thanks for the imput.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
Msg: 72 (view)
 
Paranormal experiences - share them here.
Posted: 12/30/2011 9:06:24 PM
Last one....

Home, I use to contemplate a lot in those days...contemplation is as effective as meditation but a little more active. You simply stare at one spot and let your mind go....so...at home...contemplating and drifting upon the idea of flying and letting it go....I felt that snap again...i popped up into the sky...where a man held out his hand to me and I took it...and he started to fly above the clouds, thru them, again that feeling of love....we did this for some time....but the time was up and again back to the body....


Hey...I can't explain why these things happen...and no I don't need a shrink...its been a while since the last one yrs in fact...I feel like the guy in slaughter house five...but there all true and theres a few more but i will keep them for myself...I have only told a few people about this but wow...you just got to get it out, why I don't know. For some reason I'm telling you people.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Paranormal experiences - share them here.
Posted: 12/30/2011 8:48:35 PM
I was doing a lunch break at work...we use to get an hour break....I would go over to my buddies apt. and have a tea with him...hes English....we sat and talked about 15 minutes and he said would you like a tea...I said sure...and he left the room...when he left something happened...I was stilled...in front of me something happened...a rainbow was opening up a opening or portal or what ever...a feeling of love came upon me that was overwhelming again....I fell to my knees in joy and laughing...I couldn't stop...a man..I think came forward at me and placed his hand on my head and started to say something to me....for the life of me I don't have a clue what he said....to this day....all I know is I agreed to something or understood something....slowly he backed away and at that moment my buddy came back into the room...he looked at me and just stared...said what happened...I told him...and he just looked at me....the experience lasted about 10 minutes....but my buddy was gone a few seconds...

and no, I don't do drugs..
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
Msg: 70 (view)
 
Paranormal experiences - share them here.
Posted: 12/30/2011 8:25:41 PM
I was doing a spiritual exercise from my discorse. I sat on the couch and peered without blinking into a ball with a steady light reflection. The idea of not blinking was to fool the brain...I did this for about 10 minutes without blinking...it was tough...but...suddenly I heard or felt a snap...I was outside my body looking at myself sitting on the couch...eyes closed...I was right infront of my body...suddenly I was traveling down a dark area, I don't know how to explain this part...but up ahead there was a speck of light that got bigger and bigger as I ...think...got closer to it...when I hit the opening or light thru a door...I was in a world you just could not believe...the color...the feeling of love and joy was overwhelming...I can't explain it...the clouds were silver and gold light shone on it but no sun to be seen...the water was bluer than blue and so was the sky...the leaves on the trees shone...as did the grass...that the only way I could explain it...it all glowed. I was suspended above the ground about 6 ft...just floating in space or air...mesmerized..totally...but suddenly I felt fear...when that happened I felt myself slowly fall back into my body....downward....

and no...I don't do drugs.
 pappy009
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The evidence on divorce settlements
Posted: 12/30/2011 8:08:28 PM
---I'm asking specifically why some men believe they will automatically lose out in divorce?--

I hope your kidding....the system is gear against them....the more child support you pay the less government has to pay welfare to the mother...or the mother marries another guy or lives with one and you pay for it....your paying your ex to keep your kids away from you...thats the bottom line. Its not rocket science. studies don't take in emotions. oh boy its week two and I get my kids...twice a month....and I should be grateful.... you miss everything....there first steps...there first words....you see them grow up in spurts...that not including the bad talk about you from there family....quite the trip...try it sometimes....how many times have you gone to court...me....22....impressive isn't it....what do you think is going on....by the way...I won every court case...and it cost me everything....And I am one guy...imagine if every guy who went thru this shit took the time to write in....I think you will be amazed..

The system of divorce is screwed and childrens aid is a joke.....my feeling completely.
 pappy009
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Dec 25th new Son or new Sun
Posted: 12/30/2011 7:51:48 PM
Enki hows enlil....hey, I like your stuff...I thought I read everything on the Sumers so where did you get this info....I like it....I want more....let everyone know....
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
Msg: 274 (view)
 
New study into global temperatures
Posted: 12/30/2011 7:40:50 PM
For every unit of CO2 you need 1 atom of Carbon and 2 atoms of Oxygen...so if the CO2 level goes up by 1 per cent then the Oxygen level would go down by 2 per cent. So if the Carbon footprint goes up then the amount of Oxygen level goes down...has any scientist figured this out and how much Oxygen is left in the air...if it hits 15% then mankind will die...but wait a minute. When the snow melts it releases CO2 also. CO2 freezes in the Arctic and antarctic...could you imagine how much is frozen. Can scientist really know how much CO2 is being released from the Ice.

The PTB have successfully taxed everything on this planet except the Air...thats what this is all about to me. I also believe that the planet...Earth itself is heating up...because every planet in our solar system is heating up.

My understanding of this is that, we have been burning coal for thousands of yrs...maybe not on mass as today, non the less the air itself does purify itself....poisonous gas from car exhaust should have killed us yrs ago, but the air cleans itself...well the trees do. And we have cut down boreal forest on pretty well every country except Canada and Russia. The Amazon is half of what it should be. To me this is the problem and the PTB are simply capitalizing on the deli ma...the scientific community is divided...so who do you listen too...for me we created the problem by destroying nature...now we will suffer the consequences of our actions...one is get rid of multi-national corporations....its that simple....the consumer. We have the power but are the most divided segment of society. But if you say something your labeled a left wingnut......our society is a joke...supermarket mentality....and yes I am cynical....but not pessimistic.
 pappy009
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Man, 99, divorcing wife of 77 years over affair in the 1940s
Posted: 12/30/2011 1:17:55 PM
Do the math...the guy was born in 1921...he would have been forced into the Italian army...put his life on the line....sleeping in ditches of mud...being shot at...you name it..and his wife was boinking someone else...hopefully the kids are his...but will he ever know...would you want to....I wouldn't...maybe he was a sensitive man, emotional, family oriented....and 77 yrs later the bubble burst....you can never know what goes on in someones mind...you'd have to read the letters.

My call is he read them. And like I say, maybe the boyfriend died in the war so she settled on staying with this guy....how would you feel being second best out of fate.
 pappy009
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The evidence on divorce settlements
Posted: 12/30/2011 1:05:27 PM
-----I have always read--in the past--that men, generally speaking, are better off financially after a divorce than women. -----

Thats because the extra baggage is gone....

My son will not marry.....because he seen my divorce from my wife...he lived it to. The separation of father and son took its toll. But...my ex played every trick in the books including lying in court and was caught. I went thru some serious stuff...and he seen it...the problem is not the divorce....its the government interference with the divorce..all there rules you got to follow...the stupidity of Womens groups run by Lesbians and Dykes and real man haters. What I am saying is that there are too many other peoples involved in a divorce when it hits court...the lawyers are the winners...not you or me...we pay when we shouldn't have to...you want to go then go...you don't work a lifetime so that one of you decides to split the family up and so you got to pay up....Thats how I see it...especially if you have kids....

If your in a relationship why do you need to marry and bring the government into it....thats what a marriage certificate is....you brought the government into your relationship. When a woman says to me that she will never marry again...thats the one for me....maybe they will stop talking about the....RELATIONSHIP...wow do I hate that word..."Honey We need to Talk about our Relationship.....OH...is there something wrong...."

I went thru it and I did a lot of talking with other men who went thru it too....and I asked them...What was it that you wanted in your marriage? And the outstanding answer was..."I wanted my wife to be happy"...that was it....thats all...thats the reason men go home after work....they want a happy family...thats why they work so hard and thats why they made the money.

You don't need to get married to be happy...
 pappy009
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Man, 99, divorcing wife of 77 years over affair in the 1940s
Posted: 12/30/2011 12:17:18 PM
Thats why were Men and there Women.....
 pappy009
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Agnosticism vs. Pi...Faith vs. Knowledge vs. Belief
Posted: 12/30/2011 12:13:19 PM
I have seen these debates a thousand times....still I cannot help but put my self on the podium.....I think we all got it wrong....all of us....thats why were here....oh...I do believe in a G-d....no doubts at all.....

--And Satan sat upon the throne of God---

Thats in Revelations. And no...there is no throne....the throne is your mind. Can you understand that...the throne is the mind. You will also read in the Bible about the left hand of God and the Right hand of god who sat were and when....the left hand of God is the Left Lobe of the Brain, the right hand is the Right Lobe...One is factual the other abstract....now where did evolution ever have in its arsenal the ability to separate the mind into camps...because we must use both halves in order to function properly. 21st century schizoid man.....thats us...science is based on fact and religion on abstract...we need both. What is science? Everyone with a degree is a scientist...science says this and that...I love scientific theory...assumptions based on what little we know...got to love it...

Seeing the reality we live in is made of nothingness...electrical energy that has no substance...oh what is electricity can we see it....in large enough voltage yes...but its subliminal....Atoms are made of energy not substance...and lets take INTENT...where in evolution did INTENT enter the picture and explained along with Consciousness...were is that explained. How does a single cell without a brain know what elements to digest and how does a cell know what a waste is, to eliminate it from the cell body...what in the cell tells it that. Thats INTENT...the Cell knows...so how does it know. A single cell is more complicated than the city you live in. That is design and there is no other way to see it.

If you think for a moment that lightning hit a mud puddle and created the living cell, then, how would it have the intelligence of INTENT. How would it have the ability to survive unless it was meant to.

G-d is not a personable being, its MIND and we live in a holographic Universe made of nothingness.....its an illusion, a real illusion with substance and matter....made of nothingness.

Now there looking for the G-d particle....science has become a joke....a particle of and atom made of energy...nothingness....

The universe is music. A very big song...and were just passing thru....enjoy the experience and don't take it to serious....
 pappy009
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Man, 99, divorcing wife of 77 years over affair in the 1940s
Posted: 12/30/2011 11:26:27 AM
Maybe the Guy she was boinking was killed in the war....so decided to stay with this guy...why else would she keep the letters. Now this guy knows, and I don't blame him....Look at the mess this might have uncovered....
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Venus transit
Posted: 12/30/2011 11:11:40 AM
The transit of Venus will make an eclipse, a Venus eclipse happens roughly every 126 yrs. Back in 2004 Venus also made and eclipse with the sun and now 8 yrs latter its doing it again. This is extremely rare. Only 8 yrs in between. And both times in the sign of Gemini.
 pappy009
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Dec 25th new Son or new Sun
Posted: 12/30/2011 10:57:42 AM
The reference to the Fish is because Christ came at the beginning of the Age of Pieces, the fish....the fish represent the duality of man...same with the I Ching symbol...we just call it pagan...its astrology, same as the Persian Magi that visited Christ...Zoratorism.

We place to much emphasis on the idea that these people who lived in those days were superstitious and foolish...they weren't. They simply used different words and terms, they never had the English Dictionary and a limited alphabet...so some terms may not be expressed they way it was intended.

The Romans had...should I say....Astrologers...no different than any race of people then and now...today they are called...advisor's...big business and political people have astrologers. Don't kid yourselves...as above, so below....Sun Worship only represents the worship of G-d. Amen-Ra....Amen....right. We can take that eve a little further...All religion comes out of Egypt...all of it. Moses or Thutmoses...who knows but take for instance this....Isis is the Moon....Amon/Amen-Ra the Sun.....Elohim the Gods, as to say.
Well Is-Ra-El....Israel...was a Sun/moon cult....the Elohim are the planets...simple. There not gods there planets.....and in those days the only planets they could see were ones that could be seen...Saturn being the last planet to be seen is now....the Lord God....Saturnalia.....Mithra...Christ...and a host of others....that does not mean they never existed...but it might mean that they have been used for PTB sake.

Christ was a Jewish reformer, instead of fearing the Lord God he said to love the Father God...Christ never once used the term the Lord God...always the Father...sun worship the Sun not saturn....The color of Saturn is black, like black robes the priest and judges wear. We still worship the Lord God Saturn...the Lord of the Rings.

In astrology, Saturn is the devil. Well thats what they said and believed, its time is Capricorn and Dec 21 is the first day of Capricorn.....we placed Christ Birthday on the day of the Devil....go figure....lol

Its all Astrotheology.
 pappy009
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Introspection
Posted: 12/30/2011 9:08:43 AM
I agree with Miss Meow....I do not make any decisions at all without viewing, at best the whole picture...Introspection is my middle name....I think about every thing and research whatever I have to deal with...especially legal and governmental...you'd be surprised when you discover what government is all about...its not what we think.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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Memory Functioning
Posted: 12/30/2011 9:04:02 AM
Ari...I borrowed the $10k...or did you forget.

What I find is that...I tend not to remember events that are too routine...like events at work.
If there is nothing to prompt me to remember then I don't...important events I always remember...sometimes I forget my sons name...takes a second and then boink!! But some of that comes with age...I feel its based on the Need to remember...
 pappy009
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No such thing as a selfless good deed?
Posted: 12/29/2011 10:55:24 AM
Don't we all. I guess what goes around comes around.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
Msg: 32 (view)
 
A guide to true happiness?
Posted: 12/29/2011 10:52:20 AM
----The secret to happiness? Live a 'good enough' life---

Absolutely...Your only passing thru...Accept it, love it and live it....
 pappy009
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Bill Maher sparks an uproar after tweeting about Tim Tebow
Posted: 12/29/2011 10:00:42 AM
Bill Maher is neither a good comedian or intellectual....to me hes a guy who just hooks his wagon on to what ever is happening that will get attention. opportunist yea. How he ever got to be known is beyond me. There are so many other stimulating people out there that this guy has nothing to say to me. I don't think you could call me religious but I am sure they have there understanding as does an Athiest. Maher thinks its popular to slander a religious view and I am sure hes got his crowd that does also. What ever anyone believes in is none of my business. I am sure Maher thought this was a good time to slide a little something in there......to appease his crowd.
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
Msg: 92 (view)
 
No such thing as a selfless good deed?
Posted: 12/29/2011 9:38:32 AM
Interesting post....at 60 yrs old and when I look back on things and events, I for myself have done a lot for different people and never asked for anything in return...thats just the way I am...and when I did offer help...I never did it for my own ego needs but out of compassion for the person who was in need....and every time I helped I didn't feel good about it until after the fact....when I realized that what was done was done out of concern and not my own pleasure...after all its not something that happens every day. Its easy to be nice and difficult if your not.
 pappy009
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What Human Achievement is Worth All the Misery We Create?
Posted: 12/29/2011 9:29:28 AM
.......KNOWLEDGE......unfortunately mankind is not mature enough for this knowledge to flourish. We know what has to be done so lets get it done...clean up the act....educate yourself, no ones going to do it for you. Or you can live in the shell the system has created for you. Or we can restructure the system to meet the needs of everyone. Only then will the misery end. Unfortunately the PTB don't like that idea. I guess they come first.
 pappy009
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Breaking the law: A morality issue?
Posted: 12/29/2011 8:58:05 AM
A Moral Issue?

There is only one law in the universe and every creature with intelligence knows this law...the law is simple....DO NO HARM...I don't care what planet or species of being you are, if your civilized or achieve some sort of civilized behavior you will understand this.

The Question about law is that all legal law is deceiving, thats a fact. Legalese is a language other than English, words are given new meanings by law.

There are two types of law one legal one lawful, its illegal to drive your car without a license, yet its lawful to travel by any means you wish....freedom of movement. So whats the difference, legal is commercial law, lawful is commonlaw the law of the land. Legal is de-facto law created by Corporations such as Canada and the US which are corporate de-facto commercial systems of business.

A person in legal de-facto law is a corporation, a person in lawful is an imitation of a live human being...personify or personification. Actors.

In Common law there are no statues, codes or policy created by a de-facto corporate entity. Its based on Doing Harm, no mercy. In legal de-facto law there is always a remedy, commercial of course....fines and so forth. To be corrected ...Corrections...

The thing with me is this, there are to many people in prison over de-facto ...against your human rights...for victimless crimes....who got hurt and so forth....Oh I didn't pay my income tax...slammer....there is no income tax in Common Law.

I can grow acres of pot....if I don't sell it..(trafficing...commerce) and I give it to people who need it (medical) what law was broken.....all law is based on Presumption. Assuming someone will break the law. If you have ever been arrested and on the charge they put down "Without Lawful Excuse"....they the legal system is asking you your Common Law rights....Human Rights....A human Being cannot be taken to court by a dead CORPse..Corporation. A dead entity cannot take a live human to court...so why is it happening?

Wow there is so much more I could write.
 pappy009
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This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/20/2009 9:59:54 AM
With my parents, and someone told me to do some push ups...I would do twice as much as what the instructor told me...my mommy and daddy would insist. People baby there kids way to much to day....way to much!!!
 pappy009
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9-11 National Service day? WTF?
Posted: 8/26/2009 5:16:50 PM
What does it mean..."Corporation"

And do you really have to make a law like this...like its the new PA...you need a law to be a patriot...
 pappy009
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The New Meth
Posted: 8/26/2009 5:03:54 PM
Earthpuppy, your story sounds like so many I have heard over the yrs....back in the early 70s I use to hang with about say 20 guys all the time...we were a good crew, no violence or conflict just good time..yea we did some weed, acid, the whole agenda...then Meth it the streets in large quantity. The Bikers brought it in...and trust me they have no conscience of who they destroy. Out of those 20 I would say 5 OD and died as time went on, I got robbed at least 3 different times..and I mean it was all gone. Another fellow Rudy...hung himself in a church...one more drove a car off the cliff...the rest eventually Grew UP. I myself never touched the stuff, after seeing what happened to them...very sad good guys, good people. Gone. One time one of my best friend did a hit, in a hypo, and the mixture was like suryp...way to much...well he bleed from his nose and ears and his eyes were starting to bleed out of the corners...the people in the room ran away, I think I was the only one there straight, me and another fellow. Then buddy hit the floor and flip and flopped like a fish out of water than...totally still...no movement...the blood stopped flowing out of his nose...I knew right there an then he was dead...the heart stopped...so instantly...without thinking...I bent over and slapped his face as hard as I can...you know when a situation is that intense you tend not to think about what to do, you do it..he was a heavy guy but I picked him up over my shoulders and actually ran up the stairs and thru him in the shower, and started with the cold water...I then slapped him again as hard as I could across his face...hes started to come too. He started to twitch..then breath...I then took a real depth breath because thru all of this I think I forgot to breathe. Yrs later I asked him about that, he told me he died, and was in a darkness, and he heard a voice and it he said that "Its not your Time"...he didn't feel me slapping him, well I guess not. But what a time. Well as time went on he met a real wonderful lady, they married and had two great kids and is now retired form work...we were golfing and started to talk about that day...I ask him why do you think you got involved way to deep in Meth...he simply said, when you feel the rush, and its golden feelings, that you will tend to always desire to feel that rush again and again and again...its to the point that its all you live for. No conscience on what you do, just get that rush, no friends anymore just the buzz. Some of the guys use to do I think they call it speed balls or something like that half heroin and half speed...those guys you stayed away from, they'd steal you eye teeth if they could...a real shame...at least 7 of them died young...we weren't rich kids...we were poor...and dealing dope was there only way to keep going on the stuff...one guy who hung himself..Rudy..was in trouble with the bikers...I feel they hung him...because before he died..he went to rehab and got clean and moved home to his parents house...he owed a ton of money...Meth is a oneway street...a death sentence.

Its because of these experiences that I told my son about it all, what I did in those days and what was really going on..the drugs are no good for you, weed is harmless, acid, you can only do that so many time...but Coke, speed, smack, and of course Booze are the bloody worst things you can get into...its not joke...and no fun times.
 pappy009
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Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 3:59:26 PM
UHC is one thing...what bothers me the most about socialism is welfare...you know where the masses dole out money to the welfare bums..you know who..the corporate welfare bums...the Banks..Auto Industry...insurance industry...the White Collar Welfare Bums. And they took Trillions...now thats true capitalism. And they been doing it for yrs. And these guys are very R.i.c.h...they blackmail the government or threaten to lay people off... I think its got to the point that people don't even know what it means to be in a true Capitalistic society anymore...and the reason is that...the Rick pricks are robbing us blind. Where is the competition anymore...oil companies vary between 1/10 of a cent on a gallon of gas...is that competition...its despotism..how about Pharmacudical Drugs...the Flu shot...the swine flu is a con job world wide. I can't believe American news anymore...the Left hates the Right...the Right hates the Left...and the media stirs it up...to the right they think a person who is left wing is a commie and the left see people on the right as Nazis....and the media once again stirs the pot of shit...when you do that...it smells worst than before. You guys have been pissing on the Canadian health system and don't even know what your talking about...so I am going to talk about the issues of Left and Right in the states...why the hell are you people seperating yourselves to this degree...we got left and Right and Socalist in Canada...3 parties...so if your pissed at one...there gone...but there is that little party..the NDP that seem to tell the truth all the time...you ain't got something like that. By the way...I'm a Libertarian...we got them in Canada too...its called the Canadian Action Party and its gaining momentum. the Green Party...there a joke...there only issue is the enviroment...thats easily used by the corporation..you know the Carbon Tax...tax the air you breathe..what else can they tax..taxation...upon taxation and the left does it and so does the right...only the Right give the rich a break and piss on the middle class...the trickle down effect is not capitalism..thats what the royality did in the past...so your economy is not based on Capitalism at all...but Totalitarian Capitalism controled by the royalty of the US. Capitalism is from the ground up not the top down...thats the Piss on you Economy. When the people of any country...owns the resources of that country...which you do...how can you have..Privatization...thats not capitalism...thats greed...why not just give them your children too.

The people who wrote the US constitution...to the British at the time were Renegades....

America is already socialistic and have socalism in the books...there called Statue Acts enforced As Law...there not law...there acts and acts need consent. There are no freedoms under Admiarlty Law which you live by...your courts are British Commerce Courts because you borrow your money from the Monarchy of England, the Bank of England and the Vatican...the IMF the only bank in the world...no different that any of the western nations...they tried to take your guns off of you during the Clinton Yrs...there scared of Americans...I don't care who they are but if any country ever tried to invade the US...even China...they would be outgunned 3-1...I respect that. As a Libertarian your constitution and My constitution is the ****ing law..end of story...our governments are corporation responsible to the Central Banking system....they have been sinking us into a false socialistic egnima...but in the end its all about slavery of the masses.

One of the basic concepts of the Communist Manifesto is a Central Banking System...the Federal Reserve and little do many know that Canada is in the 13th district of the US Federal Reserve...that the Corporation of Canada and the Corporation of the US are legal corporations under the US Treasury...I thought at one time we were countries...so ladies and gentlemen it matters not were your from or what country you live in...they are taking your soverign rights away...and RIGHTS ARE UNDESPUTED. We've had socialism for yrs...its called charity. But for some reason the Star Chamber doesn't want you to truly understand that we are the power.

There is one way to beat it...Resign from the Corporations of Canada and the US...give up your SS OR SIN number, your not a Roman Citizen, your a soverign born Freeman on the Land....your not an agent of the corporation. Being a Citizen is a misconception, it only means that your part of there club.

Your a soverign born freewill Man/Woman created by G-d, as it states in Section 1 of the Canadian Constitution...that means you answer only to G-d...even the athiest...its not about religion is represents that no one has authority over you...not even your Representative Governments. Thats what real freedom is...CommonLaw...the Do Unto others. In the US a Republic means that you are Self Governing..and no one has authority over you...we just use different words but its all Common Law.

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So lets not waste our time about socialism...its normal for people to be there brothers keeper...we have been doing it since the beginning of time...Socalism is a word to scare you. Socalism is not Communism...Communism is Communaliztion, with a central banking system...socialism is something like We the People, For the People, By the People...Society of the People. Socalism is a word that is so sickly played out to condition you to accept the dictates of those in the Star Chamber above the law.

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