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 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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The Frankenstorm
Posted: 11/3/2012 6:16:16 AM
Under the insult to injury category, "storm chasers" will likely descend in droves to scam the victims of Sandy. We had them here last year when the massive tornado outbreak left similar devastation. If you have loved ones in the area, make them aware of the potential for being scammed and follow the BBB tips laid out below.
http://dc-easternpa.bbb.org/2012/10/26/bbb-warns-of-storm-opportunists/

More from Michelle.. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/beware-of-scam-attempts-by-storm-chasers/2012/10/30/2f78154c-22b4-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_story.html

And awareness and precautions must be taken to keep the death and injury toll a low as possible. The aftermath can be as deadly as the storm.
http://m.npr.org/news/front/164038890?start=10
Published: November 01, 2012

by Rob Stein

Public health officials are warning that people in areas devastated by Superstorm Sandy face many risks in the aftermath and are urging people to protect themselves from health threats in the water, air and even their refrigerators.

As millions of people try to put their lives back together, the most obvious threat is the floodwaters themselves. In many places, the water could be a toxic stew.

"Floodwaters potentially could contain mixtures of a variety of chemicals such as pesticides, paint, gasoline, you know other things for example that you might store in your garage or your basement that might actually get all flooded out," says Tina Tan, the state epidemiologist for the New Jersey Department of Health.

In several places, sewage-treatment plants have been paralyzed by fires or flooding. In these areas, bacteria and other pathogens might make people sick.

"That kind of shows up as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and other symptoms related to gastrointestinal illnesses," Tan says.

These infections can be serious for babies, the elderly and people who are already sick.

But in the United States, contaminated floodwater rarely causes the kind of widespread disease outbreaks that can occur in less developed countries.

"In our recent history, we haven't really seen a lot of outbreaks that are associated with floods in general here but that doesn't mean we still shouldn't take caution," Tan says.

So officials are urging people to have as little contact with the water as possible. And if they have no choice, wear protective gear like boots, gloves and goggles.

"If for some reason you come into contact with floodwater — that there's floodwater that touches the skin — wash your hands with soap and clean water very often just to clean yourself of any sort of potential contaminant," Tan says.

In places where drinking water supplies may be contaminated, people have to boil their water for a minute before it's safe to drink.

Dan Kass, the deputy commissioner for environmental health at the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, says that's one thing Manhattan doesn't have to worry about.

"The genius of the New York City water supply is that we have ample reservoirs located away from the city that are not groundwater based," Kass says.

The water also flows downhill so no electricity is needed to pump it in.

While some people may wonder whether the flooded subway system may fill the streets with fleeing rats, officials say that's not a problem either. There are far fewer rats down there than people think. And many of those there probably drowned, Kass says.

A much bigger worry is what might be in the air. One of the most common killers after a big disaster is carbon monoxide poisoning among people misusing generators.

"They can't be used indoors. They have to be properly vented. And while people are desperate for power, they sometimes take shortcuts or don't really understand the risks associated with that," Kass says.

Aside from the water and air, other dangers may lurk. Downed wires can electrocute people. And people needing dialysis or other life-sustaining care often can't get to what they need. For example, many people lose their prescription drugs.

"They may not have critical belongings that they need not only for sort of physical health but also for mental health. And so that's something that's a huge challenge for people," Kass says.

There are other dangers for people who are still home. And that's in their refrigerators. Tom Frieden, who heads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, says food poisoning is a common problem after disasters. That's what happened when he was the health commissioner in New York City.

"In 2003 there was a long blackout in August, and we saw a significant increase in foodborne illness in the days after," Frieden says.

Frieden says food in the fridge stays cold for only about four to six hours without power. Food in the freezer holds for maybe 24 to 48 hours. After that, don't risk it.

"Bottom line is: If in doubt, throw it out," Frieden says.

Once the waters recede, mold could start growing in a lot of homes, triggering allergic reactions and asthma attacks.

"Some of the things that people can do to stop mold from spreading and growing in homes is to take out items that have soaked up water and can't be cleaned or dried," Tan says. "Try to fix those water leaks and use fans and dehumidifiers. Open the doors and windows to remove moisture just in general." [Copyright 2012 National Public Radio]
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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They take pignapping very serious here in Texas!
Posted: 10/5/2012 10:57:30 AM
The pigs are taking their revenge. A number of places are now keeping pigs off the petting zoo roster due to a new strain of swine flu that has infected a few hundred and hospitalized 8 at least.
http://articles.mcall.com/2012-08-18/news/mc-swine-flu-ag-fairs-20120818_1_h3n2v-flu-strain-swine-flu
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Clint Eastwood and the RNC speech
Posted: 9/3/2012 6:01:28 AM
They needed an Eastwood performance to draw attention away from the days of lies that was the Repub convention. While Lyin Ryan took the world record for concentration of lies, Eastwood hi-lighted life in the post-truth republican era. It is troubling that the vast majority of their supporters don't even care about truth anymore. Paul Rosenberg explains it. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/201282694814229952.html
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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The Privatization of Science
Posted: 8/18/2012 6:57:09 AM
Damnright DameRight.
We have had a FB discussion group between our organic inclined growers and eaters and our chemically dependent farming counterparts. The local and organic food scene is exploding here at the same time chem farm folks are facing superweeds and superbugs and now looking to GMO 2-4 D as their desperate next step. In the discussions, it is as if the chemfarm folks will take as gospel, the claims of Monsanto, Dow, and their other overlords and dismiss any scientific study to the contrary of what they are propagandized to have to believe.

It also came to light that the chemical industry has bought out most of the Land Grant Institutions as their private research facilities and dampened honest science coming out of Universities. With the revolving door, the same industries have corrupted government to the point where honest research and/or anything contrary to the corporate party line has become an academic death sentence for those who challenge the corporate interests.

I've met Marti Crouch at a couple of gatherings and heard first hand, what happens when one challenges the college/chemical/biotech complex.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2000/01/cost-biotech-fever
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Perfect Moment to rid us of Limbaugh
Posted: 8/18/2012 4:29:11 AM
The Supreme Court has ruled on limits to free speech such as slander, libel, incitement to violence, and on air obscenity. This is pretty much appreciated across the political spectrum. Rush is among many pundidiots of the extreme right who make a living on lying. As our local mass murderer Adkisson showed, words from hate mongers have consequences. Rush and his ilk have also poisoned democracy by attacking the free speech of people with whom they disagree, engaging in bullying, aggression, and intimidation. The death toll is rising.

http://www.researchforprogress.us/terrorism/reporting-bias.html
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Former Navy Seal Rebukes Obama
Posted: 8/18/2012 3:58:03 AM
speaking of conspiracy nuts...
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/08/17/anti_obama_navy_seal_leader_i_m_a_birther


President Barack Obama is a socialist, was raised by communists, and wasn't born in the United States, according to the former Navy SEAL who founded the group Special Operations Speaks (SOS), which aims to portray Obama as anti-military in this election season.

Earlier this week, a different group of former Navy SEALS calling themselves the Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund rolled out its campaign to criticize Obama for leaking national security information and taking what it believes as undue credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden. That group claims to be non-political.

But the founder of SOS, a similar group with the same mission and the same tactics, says he has no problem admitting that he is against Obama's politics, personality, and believes that America's current president is lying about his origins.

"I have to admit that I'm a Birther," said SOS founder Larry Bailey, a retired 27-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, in an interview. "If there were a jury of 12 good men and women and the evidence were placed before them, there would be absolutely no question Barack Obama was not born where he said he was and is not who he says he is."

Bailey, who is part of the leadership of SOS's effort to mobilize thousands to take to the streets to denounce Obama's treatment of the military through an SOS project called Operation Street Corner, doesn't only believe that the president is a foreigner. He also believes that he is not actually the son of Barack Obama, Sr. Bailey trumpeted the conspiracy theory that the president is actually the love child of Ann Dunham and writer Frank Marshall Davis.

"In his books, Obama said his mentor was a fellow named Frank Marshall Davis. Frank Marshall Davis was a member of Communist Party USA, he wrote for the communist party's Hawaii newsletter, he was a close friend of Obama's mother, and there's a strong case that Frank Marshall Davis rather than Barack Obama, Sr. was Barack Obama, Jr.'s father and that Barack Obama, Sr. was just an administrative father of convenience," Bailey said.

Bailey isn't shy about his dislike of Obama personally and admits freely that his extensive efforts to mobilize special operations veterans and their supporters around the country is rooted in his personal dislike of the president and his desire to see him replaced.

"Barack Obama's a born red-diaper baby. He's a socialist. His beliefs are the very antithesis of my beliefs. As far as I am concerned he is one of the most unlikeable and unprepared politicians we've ever had," Bailey said. "I don't like him because he believes that America is responsible for most of the problems in the world and he wants to cut her down to size."

Bailey is also a veteran of efforts to portray Democrats as anti-military during previous presidential election cycles. He was involved in the 2004 effort called Vietnam Vets for the Truth, an organization that was separate from but worked with Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth to attack John Kerry's military record. Together they organized a "Kerry Lied" rally on Capitol Hill that had 5,000 attendees.

Bailey said he came up with the idea for SOS earlier this year and organized some fellow former special operations guys, mostly in their 60s and 70s, with the mission of helping Obama's opponent win.

"I had an idea that we could lend a hand to the effort of getting the White House expunged of what's there now and elect someone more to my liking," Bailey said.

The group has a Facebook page with more than 22,000 likes, and "Operation Street Corner" now has 30 coordinators spread out across 20 states to encourage and enable people to get out on the street and set up displays attacking Obama's handling of national security.

"What we're doing right now is establishing an infrastructure that will put us in good stead to influence the outcome on Nov. 6," said Bailey. "You can expect some television ads but we are more focused on prosecuting the ground war rather than the air war."

SOS now has former Army Rangers, Army Special Forces, Navy SEALS, Air Commands, Marine Special Operations Commands, and representatives from other special operations groups as well. The group has set up a quasi-military command structure Bailey calls a "Joint Task Force" to manage its operations. SOS has already raised thousands, but aims much higher.

"I want somebody to give me $1.5 million. We think we're going to get $1.5 million," said Bailey. We're going to be so effective with that $1.5 dollars getting the message out that people will be standing in line to help us help them."

Bailey wears his views on his sleeve and wants anyone who's interested to know he is fighting not only for the special operations community but also against an ideology he views as dangerous.

"The Obama administration and the liberal progressive path that our country is going down is going to be nothing less than disastrous for our civilization," he said.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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John McCain Slams Michele Bachmann's 'Unfounded' Attacks On Huma Abedin, Muslim-Americans
Posted: 7/29/2012 3:19:59 PM
Understand the context of the guy who accuses things of going off topic. To him, everything boils down to a constitutional issue and even then only certain beloved parts of it.

Even Backmanns allies on the right have accused her of McCarthyism in these wild allegations. Match worships McCarthy and would therefore worship Bachmann's McCarthyism. Bachmann, Gaffney and Bolton...lovely bunch of witch hunters. Bolton is the Romney surrogate.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/romney-adviser-john-bolton-defends-michele-bachmann-witch-hunt
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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John McCain Slams Michele Bachmann's 'Unfounded' Attacks On Huma Abedin, Muslim-Americans
Posted: 7/25/2012 12:02:51 PM
We've been playing with the Muslim brotherhood off and on since Eisenhower days. It was Bush and his CIA who strategically re-established ties to them in 2005 as a destabilized Middle East was poised to explode. Bush has closer ties to the MB than Abedin. He11 Bush has closer ties to Osama Bin Laden and his grandparents had closer ties to Hitler than these allegations. Ron Paul has far closer ties to neo-nazi terrorist groups in the US.

Islamophobes forgive their own and forget.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/10/our-secret-connections-muslim-brotherhood/?pagination=false
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Former Navy Seal Rebukes Obama
Posted: 7/24/2012 8:28:40 AM
Here are some of the sources where CST finds his creative stories.
http://gawker.com/5928451/here-are-the-most-insane-aurora-shooting-conspiracy-theories

And yes, Heath Ledger is a big part of it.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/was-the-batman-shooting-a-ritualistic-murder-carried-out-by-mind-controlled-patsy/

Probably the same sites where the disgruntled Seal goes for his "information".
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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John McCain Slams Michele Bachmann's 'Unfounded' Attacks On Huma Abedin, Muslim-Americans
Posted: 7/22/2012 6:50:11 AM
Vlad,
The Murfreesboro bigots would naturally mirror their islamophobic counterparts across the pond. This area was taken over from the natives by scots/irish/english descendents.

At the same time the Murfreesboro anti-constitutionalist islamophobes were doing their best to stop the mosque, including firebombing construction equipment, in Cordova, Tn, a church opened it's doors for it's Islamic neighbors to use their church while the mosque was under construction.
http://memphissite.brickriver.com/news/detail/671

Boehner and Bachmann's former campaign cheif have come out against Frau Bachmann's public insanity.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/18/bachmann-former-campaign-chief-shame-on-michele/?intcmp=trending#ixzz210ivfo9G


Bachmann's former campaign chief -- shame on you, Michele
By Edward Rollins
Published July 18, 2012
FoxNews.com
I have been a practitioner of tough politics for many decades. There is little that amazes me and even less that shocks me. I have to say that Congresswoman Michele Bachmann’s outrageous and false charges against a top aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Huma Abedin reaches that threshold.

Her unsubstantiated charge against Abedin, a widely respected top aide to Secretary Hillary Clinton, accusing her of some sort of far-fetched connection to the Muslim brotherhood, is extreme and dishonest.

Having worked for Congressman Bachman’s campaign for president, I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Senator Joe McCarthy level. (Joe McCarthy falsely made claims that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies inside the State Department in the early 1950’s. On December 2, 1954, the Senate voted to "condemn" McCarthy on two counts.)

Senator John McCain, an American hero, stood on the floor of the Senate Wednesday and condemned Mrs. Bachmann, if not by name then by her actions:

“These allegations about Huma and the report from which they are drawn are nothing less than an unwarranted and unfounded attack on an honorable woman, a dedicated American and a loyal public servant."

The Republican Party, which John McCain led as our nominee in 2008, is going to become irrelevant if we become the party of intolerance and hate. The party founded by Abraham Lincoln was a party that fought slavery and intolerance at every level.

I can assure Mrs. Bachmann, that Ms. Abedin has been thru every top clearance available and would never have been given her position with any questions of her loyalty to this country.

As a member of Congress, with a seat on the House Intelligence Committee, Mrs. Bachmann you know better. Shame on you, Michele! You should stand on the floor of the House and apologize to Huma Abedin and to Secretary Clinton and to the millions of hard working,loyal, Muslim Americans for your wild and unsubstantiated charges. As a devoted Christian, you need to ask forgiveness for this grievous lack of judgment and reckless behavior.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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John McCain Slams Michele Bachmann's 'Unfounded' Attacks On Huma Abedin, Muslim-Americans
Posted: 7/22/2012 4:09:08 AM
As Americans learned in the 50s, it is a waste of time trying to reason with Islamophobic McCarthyites.

Meanwhile, a bit of good news in a victory against the Murfreesboro, Tn. McCarthyites. A federal judge has ruled in favor of the Muslim community there under seige from the hate mongers and local political structure.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/us/judge-allows-muslims-to-use-murfreesboro-mosque.html

I admire the Muslim community there including the 400 kids who attend MTSU, in standing their ground as a small minority against a hoard of hostile ignoranuses. They put up with bomb threats and arson but stood their ground for their faith and the Constitution.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/21/2012 12:56:55 PM
I would bet that it would be impossible to walk into any crowed place and kill 12 people with a pencil.

Anyway...Romney has taken to politicizing this massacre on his Faceplant page.
https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/photo.php?fbid=470344299643193&set=a.221499604527665.68159.220814084596217&type=1

While possibly true on that particular day, Rmoney ignores the 14 police officers killed by CC gunowers, the 448 fellow citizens killed by CC owners, the 21 CC owner massacres that killed 94 people, and the growing "justifiable" homicide rates from stand your ground anywhere anytime laws.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/21/2012 8:05:47 AM
KK. You "happiness is a warm gun" types seem to always respond that more guns will equal less killing despite all the stats to the contrary. You also mistakenly believe that people who talk about the downside of rampant gun ownership are by token anti-gun types.

I was raised in a gun culture, started hunting with a 22 at age 7, first shotgun at age 12, kept a deer rifle in the car at school, killed people with a big 5/54 gun, still armed, but know that statistically, the more guns put into the wrong hands, or available in moments of passion will equate to more gun deaths per capita. I learned early on via a cousin who almost shot another cousin playing around with an "unloaded" gun, and when Littlejohn shot Frank in the butt with a shotgun accidentally, while scooting into the truck during deer hunting, that guns are accidents waiting to happen. In May of this year there was yet another tragedy of a 3 year old girl finding her dad's 45 and shooting herself in the head while playing with it with her 2 year old cousin. Even though the gun was owned by a State Highway Patrol officer, someone who should really know gun safety and protocol for keeping a house child safe, these tragedies continue to happen. A bud's cousin just shot himself in the thigh not long ago, cleaning his "empty" gun while drinking. He missed his groin and femoral artery and lived.

There is responsible ownership and training, and then there are the other 90% of guns out there. I can't tell you how many times bullets have zipped through the trees nearby from drunken target practice idiots unaware of their surroundings. I got hit in the neck with a couple of pellets from idiot neighbor kids shooting birds from their porch less than a quarter mile away. I made it a point to run across the field unarmed to ensure that in my fit of passion, they would not end up being shot.

Tennessee is one of those states unable to address economic issues, instead this year focused on bills to promote guns in parks, schools, in bars, and at the work place. VW, one of the largest manufacturers here ended up leading other businesses in opposing that infringement on their right to a safe workplace for all employees, and their property rights.
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/mar/06/gun-bills-draw-opposition-volkswagen-tennessee-sen/

While we are waiting to sort out what happened to the Presbyterrorist in Aurora, we should be seeking ways to help minimize gun idiocy in our culture. Current trends in owership and killing do not bode well and enabling drunks, and idiots with yet more guns isn't the answer.

Jeep...our thoughts are with you in your grief.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 90 (view)
 
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead
Posted: 7/21/2012 6:04:13 AM
The US has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world as well as it's citizens being the most psychologically medicated in the world, and 2nd only to France in depression. States with the highest gun ownership and most lax gun laws, have the highest gun violence rates. Put all that together and you have a 15% chance of being a victim of random violence by a stranger, and far more likely to be shot by family, friends and acquaintences.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/relationship.cfm

In Louisiana 3rd in the rate of gun ownership, you are 6 times more likely to be shot than in Hawaii, the state with the lowest gun ownership rates.
http://www.vpc.org/press/1110gundeath.htm
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Fighting for our freedom
Posted: 7/21/2012 1:51:10 AM
The "spitting" meme is popular revisionist history. Perhaps if he was spat upon, it was because he was an azzhole, not because he was a veteran. The author of "Spitting Image" did extensive research to try to document all those alleged instances and came up with none. Do you honestly believe that someone would be dumb enough to spit upon a combat veteran with PTSD and a FTA attitude?

Of all the fellow vets I know, upon return, the common reactions were mere discomfort, awkwardness in how to talk to us about it, and a desire to pretend it was all a bad dream. The Iraqi and Afghan Vets benefit from the Vietnam era, in being celebrated in a sort of compensatory way by comparisson, despite the fact that these wars were every bit as dishonerable and deceptive as Vietnam was.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 85 (view)
 
Fighting for our freedom
Posted: 7/15/2012 1:10:30 PM
Rice and the gang approved of waterboarding and other "enhanced interrogation" techniques in 2002. Waterboarding was used extensively, a war crime for which we executed Japanese who had done so to our people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5208701/Condoleezza-Rice-approved-torture-techniques.html
On May 29th, 2009, General Patreaus acknowledged that we indeed did engage in torture and violate the Geneva Conventions.
"MacCallum: So is sending this signal that we're not going to use these kind of techniques anymore, what kind of impact does this have on people who do us harm in the field that you operate in?

Gen. Petraeus:" Well, actually what I would ask is, does that not take away from our enemies a tool which again have beaten us around the head and shoulders in the court of public opinion? When we have taken steps that have violated the Geneva Conventions, we rightly have been criticized, so as we move forward I think it's important to again live our values, to live the agreements that we have made in the international justice arena and to practice those."
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/gen-petraeus-believes-our-values-and-co

The US outsourced torture and indefinate detentions of untold thousands of innocent people and a few thousand people caught in military operations that should have been covered by the Geneva Conventions. Syria and Libya were two of our best buds in the torture business and we now see how those allies are faring in the rush to cover it up. Poland was one of the biggest torture operations we ran.

When the US war criminals embarked on this path to violate internatinal law, they not only exacerbated the driving causes of terrorism, they placed 10s of thousands of our own troops into legal limbo as war criminals.

Whe we get caught violating human rights and international law we try to wriggle out with linguistics and changing our own laws to re-define what torture is.

I only hope that one day chickenhawk war criminals/torturers like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and others are captured abroad, detained, questioned with enhanced interogation techniques and fully experience what they have forced upon untold tens of thousands in the world.

Outsourcing torture
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/juan-cole-polish-pm-admits-they-tortu
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/26/AR2007012601717.html


exporting torture from SOA
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/7273-the-united-states-has-been-enabling-torture-for-decades

US admissions of torture.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4239480/US-admits-Guantanamo-torture.html
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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What is the Best Bang for your buck,in Gas to buy in the US?
Posted: 7/15/2012 7:39:17 AM
This is a good website for comparing mileage, gas vs. e-85.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=alts&path=3&year=2012&vfuel=E85&srchtyp=yearAfv

There is also the financial subsidies that do not show up in the pump price, and the environmental costs of drained aquifers, poisoned ground and surface waters from pesticides, the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico, and cancers in corn country.

We also should consider the morality of converting land from food production to fuels production. One tankfull could feed a person for a year.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/07/12/514943/the-corn-identity-the-us-will-make-ethanol-out-of-enough-corn-to-feed-412-million-people/
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 75 (view)
 
Fighting for our freedom
Posted: 7/15/2012 7:19:41 AM
While Thomas Jefferson did not help write the Constitution in it's original state, he did inspire and cajole Mason and others to include a Bill of Rights. Another often overlooked or ignored contribution to our Constitution and freedoms come from the indigenous inhabitants of the region, the Iroquois Confederacy. Other than ignoring women, our Constitution contained many of the great concepts of the Great Law that had been around for hundreds of years before we got around to being civilized.
http://www.ipoaa.com/iroquois_constitution_united_states.htm

Vlad..Leave it to a Scot to inform us as to what is going on behind our many high walls. I had not heard of the Silverstein case before. We are not know for our open media, less so as the years progress.

The US hit it's peak freedoms on 9/10/2001. It's all been a rapid, mostly ignored, or tolerated backslide since then. The latest assualts on women's reproductive rights and voting rights particularly against minorities, joins in with our spying on our citizens, indefinate detentions, stop and frisk, profiling, GPS tracking, drone assassinations, etc. Our incarceration rate is only going to get worse as our prision industrial complex lobbies to get guarantees of full cells as they continue to build new prisions.

One of the worst aspects of this new disdain for freedom and rights is the survey that shows that 60% of American teens now support torture despite the fact that other studies show that torture is ineffective as a tool in obtaining information.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/04/12/red-cross-study-finds-60-percent-of-young-people-support-torture.html

Our libertarian and right wing "constitutionalists" are strangely silent on the current voter rights abuses. Many of the cafeteria constitutionalists are in fact leading the voter purge.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/pennsylvania-is-key-to-republican-vote-blocking/
"State Representative Mike Turzai, the Pennsylvania House majority leader, let the cat out of the bag at a Republican State Committee meeting about the party’s legislative accomplishments. “Voter ID — which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania — done,” he told the applauding crowd."

The GOP is committing a fraud to address a fraud that does not exist. They only way they can be guaranteed a win anymore to to fight against freedom and rights.
http://www2.journalnow.com/news/opinion/2012/jul/11/wsopin02-eugene-robinson-column-the-gops-crime-aga-ar-2422211/
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 69 (view)
 
Fighting for our freedom
Posted: 7/14/2012 1:04:24 PM
The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal did find the Bush Torture Team guilty of torture citing 5 memos in particular:
http://open.salon.com/blog/steven_rockford/2012/05/15/bush_torture_team_found_guilty
1). “A Jan. 9, 2002, memorandum for Haynes, co-author Yoo opined that basic Geneva Convention protections known as Common Article Three forbidding humiliating and degrading treatment and torture of prisoners didn't cover alleged al Qaida or Taliban detainees.”

(2). “A memorandum to Bush dated Jan. 25, 2002, Gonzales said that rescinding detainees' Geneva protections "substantially reduces the threat of domestic criminal prosecution under the War Crimes Act."

(3). “A Feb. 7, 2002 Bush memorandum declared that alleged al Qaida or Taliban members wouldn't be considered prisoners of war and, further, that they wouldn't be granted protection under Common Article Three.”

(4). “A memorandum that Gonzales requested from the Justice Department (on August 1, 2002) defined torture as ‘injury such as death, organ failure or serious impairment of body functions,’ a high bar for ruling interrogation techniques or detainee treatment illegal.”

(5). “A memorandum that Yoo prepared (on March 14, 2003) at Haynes' request concluded that even if an interrogation method violated U.S. criminal statutes — such as the one against war crimes — the interrogators involved most likely couldn't be prosecuted because they were operating within the scope of Bush's constitutional authority to wage war against al-Qaeda and other militant groups. Nothing, however, was said about the potential guilt of those who instructed them to perform these actions."

Spain and Switzerland have also had proceedings that, along with the Kuala Lumpur Tribunal, will hopefully force the ICC to bring these criminals to justice. As it is, Bush is afraid running scared of the Swiss and Cheney is running scared of Canadians.

Gotta love chickenhawks who defend torture.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Strip Clubs in Tennessee
Posted: 7/12/2012 4:26:46 PM
I have to agree with Paul K. I've known a few friends who resorted to the strip club circuit to exploit the assets they had during hard economic times in their lives. Most either put themselves through college and got careers as a result, or saved their homes and supported their kids when hard times hit, and they knew it was both good exercise and great income in a short period of time. Essentially they are preying on and benefitting from, in a mutually beneficial way, on the base instincts of the male of the species. I don't know any of them who resorted to the sex trade part of the sleazier dives.

One can make enough in a few months stint to pay for a year of college and living costs.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Favorite Science-Fiction Movies/Series?
Posted: 7/12/2012 4:20:16 PM
Firefly
Eureka..

Brazil
Time Bandits

and many of the aforementioned..Looking forward to some I may have missed. There are the classics which I tried to watch again ie..original Star Trek, Outer Limits, etc. but the writing and effects make them so antiquainted these days.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 45 (view)
 
Fighting for our freedom
Posted: 7/10/2012 6:53:04 AM
“If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road.” -George W. Bush, before becoming president and doing exactly what he promised not to.

Does anyone honestly think, that if Bush and company had not used the 935 lies that led to the Iraq attack, and instead were honest about the motives and ultimate costs, including our banckruptcy and broken military, that the American people would have consented to nation building there? Would we as a people have consented to kill a million innocent people, wound millions more, poison millions more with DU, cause 3/4ths of a million of our own troops to suffer permanent physical and psychological damage if we were presented with the need to stop Iraq from selling it's oil in Euros, or that a secret society called PNAC had an agenda for domination of the oil fields, or to enhance Israeli power in the region? We have evil puppet dictators installed all over the world, but unless they have resources we covet, we generally let them have at it. Gulf war 1 was a pretextual war, the sanctions killed a half million, mostly kids, and Gulf War 2 was a total fraud.

"Why of course the people don't want war... Naturally... That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-Hitler's #2 Man, Hermann Goering
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 54 (view)
 
This extreame heat
Posted: 7/9/2012 7:48:30 PM
Those of us who work outside and acclimate got to the place where mid 90s is springlike relief. Most of the worst if over once you hit that place where your body adjusts. It is the AC junkies who will have a difficult time adjusting to the future of our making. This is just the beginning of the next evolution.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 571 (view)
 
Evolution vs Creationism/Intelligent Design
Posted: 7/9/2012 7:09:00 AM
Humans are a conglomeration of upwards of 10,000 species living in a host body. Many of those species support the host body, some can become deadly when the body is weakened or succmbing to disease. Most of them seem to serve a purpose in keeping their host healthy, and thus them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2159087/Healthy-people-share-bodies-10-000-species-germs.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ultimate-social-network-bacteria-protects-health

Microbes in our bods outnumber our human cells 10-1. This is the image in which the gods made us?
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 35 (view)
 
Fighting for our freedom
Posted: 7/8/2012 4:05:12 PM
In both Iraq and Afghanistan, mercenaries have outnumbered troops in presence and in death tolls. Part of the "beauty" of privatizing oil wars is reduced costs via VA benefits, and and ability to distance the official US stance when things go bad.

On the bad side, the psychological profiling requirements are far different for mercs than uniformed troops and war crimes become more prevalent, losing hearts and minds in a negative feedback loop that kills our troops. They are also expensive making 10 times more money per warm body than our own troops. As we saw with Blackwater/Xe types of private christian militias, they can cause the war on error to escalate with Jesus rifles and koran defacement.

Special ops have also gotten a blank check while the standard military is dealing with austerity cuts. SOCOM gets what it wants, a defacto mercenary unit unto itself.
http://drjohnrobertson.blogspot.com/2012/06/us-military-threat-to-american.html
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/05/special-operations-military-obama-global-war-ussocom
There is evidence that the Seals really like the Obama lattitude and support in bending rules of engagement.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57425555-503544/are-navy-seals-really-angry-with-obama/

The Swift-boating of Obama is to be expected, but it is not because of how he has acted, but who he is. He is as disappointing to the left as he is to the right, but at least not dumb enough to bankrupt us further with an Iranian front...so far.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Did they really find the Higgs Boson particle?
Posted: 7/8/2012 7:03:00 AM
Funny stuff.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/07/opinion/our-political-black-hole.html?smid=fb-share


Our Political Black Hole

By GAIL COLLINS

Published: July 6, 2012

Scientists in Geneva announced this week that they had found a new subatomic particle that they were 99.999999 percent sure was the elusive Higgs boson, nicknamed the “God particle.” Even though we had no earthly idea what that meant, we were definitely excited.

It’s given us so much to think about: how existence began, the structure of the universe, the difference between bosons and fermions. And, of course, what it will mean to the presidential race.

The first thing all patriotic Americans are going to want to know is why something this important happened elsewhere. The Large Hadron Collider, where the physicists did the work, was built by the European Organization for Nuclear Research. We were building a Superconducting Super Collider of our own, in Waxahachie, Tex., but Congress stopped the financing for it in 1993.

“It’s disheartening that a large number of fairly intelligent people could do such a thing,” said Leon Lederman, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist, when the budget-cutting House of Representatives ended the program. This was, of course, a long time ago, back when Americans still undertook expensive, daring construction projects and believed the House of Representatives had a large number of fairly intelligent people.

But about the Higgs boson. As Dennis Overbye explained in The Times, it is “the only manifestation of an invisible force field, a cosmic molasses that permeates space and imbues elementary particles with mass.” And we have so many questions. Does it provide evidence of the existence of parallel worlds? If so, is it possible to move to one that doesn’t have Michele Bachmann?

Most of all, however, we want to know who this helps in the election:

WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Mitt Romney today denounced Barack Obama for allowing Europe to beat the United States at particle physics research. Under his administration, Romney vowed, “All particles that bind the earth together will be discovered in America, by Americans and for Americans.”

Under questioning from reporters, Romney said that his favorite kind of subatomic particle is the fermion.

SOMEWHERE ON A BUS — Speaking to a crowd of blue-collar workers in Ohio, President Barack Obama hailed the scientific news from Geneva as “a great moment in history, not unlike my rescue of the auto industry.” The physicists who made the discovery, Obama noted, all had health insurance.

TRENTON — Gov. Chris Christie today called for the privatization of the Higgs boson. “Binding the earth together is something that could be handled much more efficiently by the for-profit sector,” the Republican governor and deeply available vice-presidential prospect said. “Auctioning off the rights to the Higgs boson will create American jobs and balance American budgets.”

When a reporter noted that the boson was discovered in Switzerland, Christie called him “stupid” and “off-topic.”

CEDAR FALLS, IOWA — Rick Santorum today denounced the European Organization for Nuclear Research for discovering something that is nicknamed the God particle. “If God had wanted there to be a particle, he’d have given it to Adam and Eve,” said Santorum, who is traveling through the Hawkeye State this week because, really, he doesn’t have much else to do.

WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Aides to Mitt Romney said the former governor’s favorite kind of subatomic particle is actually the boson.

SOMEWHERE ELSE ON A BUS — President Barack Obama told a crowd of blue-collar workers that there have been more Higgs bosons discovered during his administration than during those of both George Bushes combined.

WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Mitt Romney said today that when he called for an American effort to beat the Europeans in particle physics research, he did not actually mean spending money to build a supercollider, but merely “the need for our physicists to think harder.” The Republican presidential contender said he believed this could be accomplished by “the elimination of onerous, physics-research-killing regulations.”

JUST OUTSIDE OF WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Protesters today passed out cartoons of Mitt Romney with a large, cuddly looking Higgs boson strapped to a crate on the front of his jet ski.

WASHINGTON — Surrogates for Barack Obama and Mitt Romney sparred over the meaning of the potential discovery of the Higgs boson. On “Meet the Press,” Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana called it “a questionable throw of the dice by the same folks who gave us the euro.”

On “Face the Nation,” David Axelrod, the Obama campaign communications director, said that if the Large Hadron Collider had been acquired by Bain Capital it would have been “burdened with debt and sold for scrap metal” and that Romney would be “the most anti-physics president since Franklin Pierce.”

NEW YORK — Donald Trump told reporters that “my people in Hong Kong” have uncovered evidence that America’s failure to take the lead in subatomic particle research was because of a conspiracy between the Obama administration and unnamed Chinese industrialists. He also said that he had invited the Higgs boson to be a contender on “All-Star Celebrity Apprentice.”
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Former Navy Seal Rebukes Obama
Posted: 7/8/2012 6:29:47 AM
Romney's choice of Veterans advisors from the Bush era VA is causing veterans pause about his commitment to Veterans and their families. Romney has also called for privatizing some Veterans health care.
His tapping of Nicholson is particularly egregious. Nicholson presided over some of the worst practices in denying Veterans health needs.
http://www.usnews.com/news/national/articles/2008/11/10/veterans-groups-sue-bush-administration-over-delayed-benefits-claims

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/07/will-veterans-lose-if-mitt-romney-wins.html



But perhaps more significantly, the group’s national co-chairs, who will advise Romney on veteran policy if he is elected, include James Nicholson, former secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) under President George W. Bush.


Some veterans advocates say Romney’s decision to tap Nicholson, who abruptly resigned from the VA in 2007 amid controversy, as well as Anthony Principi and James Peake, who also presided over the VA during George W. Bush’s two terms in the White House, could signal that Romney will embrace some of the policies of the Bush years, which were widely considered to be tough times for veterans.


“A Romney presidency would be a disaster for veterans, as evidenced by whom he’s chosen to advise him,” says Patrick Bellon, executive director of Veterans for Common Sense, a veterans’ advocacy organization. “I think these choices should give all Americans pause. How can voters support a candidate who is showing so clearly that he learned nothing from Bush’s failures? It would be a mistake to trust people like Nicholson who failed veterans in such epic fashion.”


Nicholson, a wealthy attorney, decorated Vietnam veteran and former chair of the Republican National Committee who served as VA Secretary from 2005 to 2007, said in a statement on Romney’s website, “Veterans have served our nation proudly for decades. They deserve not only our respect and admiration, but top quality care for the rest of their lives. Mitt Romney will work tirelessly to ensure that veterans and military families are always cared for. That is why I am proud to join him in his campaign to keep America strong and prosperous.”


But the “top quality care” to which Nicholson refers was reportedly hard to come by when he ran things. A cover story in Newsweek in March 2007 reported that the VA under Nicholson was an overloaded bureaucracy that was unprepared for the onslaught of troops returning from war and was failing America’s wounded.


USA Today reported that same year that the VA’s clinics and hospitals suffered from hundreds of problems, including worn carpet, damaged floor tiles, leaking roofs and****oach infestations.


“Gov. Romney will bring a new approach to the White House and look for every way possible to help our veterans,” responds a campaign spokesman. “He cares deeply about veterans and takes this issue very seriously.”


While at the VA, Nicholson, who could not be reached for comment for this story, reportedly defended a budget measure that sought major cuts in staffing for VA health care, cut funding for nursing home care, and blocked four legislative measures aimed at streamlining the backlog of veterans benefit claims.


Nicholson, a devout Catholic who also served as President Bush’s ambassador to the Vatican, was also criticized after an electronic file stolen from the home of a VA analyst in May 2006 revealed Social Security numbers and other personal information for more than 2 million U.S. military personnel.


Nicholson told Congress that the VA would offer free ID theft protection for one year to those affected by the theft, but once the data was recovered, the VA reportedly rescinded the offer.


When Nicholson resigned, Paul Rieckhoff, executive director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the largest group representing veterans of America’s two post-9/11 wars, said, “The VA under Secretary Nicholson has been woefully unprepared for the influx of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, consistently underestimating the number of new veterans who would seek care, and failing to spend the money Congress allotted to treat mental-health issues.”
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Fighting for our freedom
Posted: 7/7/2012 5:49:16 PM
War torn PTSD had been around as long as there have been manipulators consigning the lower classes to do battle for the elite. The "Red Badge of Courage" was the first exposure on the subject for me. WWI and WW II had shell shock. It was not till the early 1980s that it was acknowledged as a serious and potentially lethal wound of war that lasts a lifetime and is now killing 18 veterans a day with many more attempts.

The Chickenhawks of the far right have been engaged in using the troops and sentiments to their advantage since the Vietnam debacle, at the same time trying to be all fiscally conservative about accepting reponsibility for damaged goods upon our return.
http://www.politicususa.com/memoral-day-gop-va-cuts.html

Obama, his wife and Jill Biden have been championing the needs of veterans and their families since he took office. Romney, with multiple deferrals and hiding in a chateaux in France at the time, seeks to cut aid to damaged goods with the same passion he outsources labor and his money.

Matchlight..your flag pin and Arlington and veterans funding cuts are fox noise talking points. Paul...where is YOUR evidence of spitting hippies. It gets a bit tiring to be lectured at by chickenhawks and sunshine patridiots.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-honors-fallen-troops-arlington-cemetery-155053757.html
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Road rage!
Posted: 7/7/2012 1:52:51 PM
Unless one does something seriously stupid and deserves it, most road rage is someone with an attitude or pentup hostilities waiting to go off.

Returning a hostile gesture with your own middle finger is not recommended. I had a showdown with a sawed off shotgun in my face because the guy was pissed that I had downshifted with a heavy load going down a steep grade. I pulled to let him pass, he flipped me, I casually flipped him back and he did vehicular stalking for the next several miles. It was only when a cop happened upon us that he pulled his gun back and ran. A bud of mine had his new car filled with slugs for apparently merging back into the right lane a bit too closely for the car now behind him. A gent with a child in his car near here had repeated vehicular assaults while moving on his vehicle by another vehicle who resented his political affiliation shown by his bumper stickers.
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-bumpersticker-sparks-violent-road.html

The best thing is to ignore those raging, don't make eye contact or feed the animal in any way. Noting a tag number is good in case the rager finds another victim further on down the highway. The heat does bring it on as well as texting idiots drifting all over the highway.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Fighting for our freedom
Posted: 7/7/2012 11:36:00 AM
Speaking of re-writing history Paul, please provide your links to show the spitting hippy myth.

For those in the reality based community that remember the era as it occured, "Sir! No Sir" is highly recommended viewing. In this segment at minute 2:20ish, the spitting myth is addressed, followed by the reality of how Veterans were reguarded by their civilian peers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcp93i4sWW4&feature=relmfu

all segments.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBEEAA4259CB0C7B7

Another film about returned Veterans.
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/an_unfinished_symphony

The author of the book Spitting Image, DID extensive research to try to find the documentation that you pretend exists somewhere other than in a Rambo film. As a Veteran of combat, I would never insult fellow Veterans, nor would I defend their lies and mythology. And I did come in via Travis AFB, processed out of Treasure Island, flew out of SF and never saw the throngs of your imagination.

You can read about how he did his searches for evidence you fail to produce.
http://books.google.com/books?id=IJrzaNOjjzwC&pg=PA71&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 44 (view)
 
This extreame heat
Posted: 7/7/2012 11:13:17 AM
Still hitting over 100 everyday here in the South. We had a wild derecho event Thursday evening with sustained guts of 70 plus.

Meanwhile, back in my old stomping grounds in the midwest, roads are buckling. Watching this slowed me down and with eye on the vehicles ahead of me.
http://fox2now.com/2012/07/03/suv-flies-into-the-air-after-hitting-buckled-highway-pavement/
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Fighting for our freedom
Posted: 7/7/2012 6:09:30 AM
The myth of the spitting hippy has long been dispelled.
http://www.amazon.com/Spitting-Image-Memory-Legacy-Vietnam/dp/0814751466

Vietnam veterans were leaders in the anti-war movement and considered natural allies for the rest of the movement then. The most common responses to returning veterans were relief, sympathy, empathy and discomfort. When I returned, there was a quiet don't ask, don't tell attitude about what happened over there. That debacle in Vietnam was certainly not about OUR freedoms and it did not help the freedoms of the millions of innocent people left dead in our wake of our WMDs there. AO and previously unexploded ordnance are still killing the Vietnamese people.

Nearly all of the military operations since Vietnam have been in support of the military industrial complex that picks and arms puppet dictators that wear out the end of their usefullness when they quit doing our bidding. The Gulf wars never have been about our freedoms, and with Bush, our freedoms were severely diminished in response to the 9/11 New Pearl Harbor that unleashed the MIC/PNAC agenda.

That old hippy Ike warned us about the dangers of the MIC and an uniformed citizenry. It was heartbreaking to see 80% of the American public progagandized to the point of their bloodlust supporting the Iraq attack, and spitting on protesters. I did see that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 19 (view)
 
This extreame heat
Posted: 7/4/2012 3:34:29 PM
Notricksters... I grew up farming and stacking hay in the hayloft in the heat of summer up north of La Crosse, WI. Hard to get hotter than the top of a hay loft up there. Or itchier in that heat. People were tougher a mere couple of generations ago. Or perhaps just dumber and died of heat stroke without much fanfare. Never seemed to both anyone like it does now.

PS..my dad became an Iowegian, marrying a woman from New Hampton at age 70, moving there and thriving amongst your kind for his last dozen years.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 15 (view)
 
This extreame heat
Posted: 7/4/2012 2:24:41 PM
I have to work in the heat so have never used AC. I moved 1000 miles south in 77 and at first thought I was going to melt. Learned how to slow down the pace, drink lots and lots of water, do shade breaks, plan the day for working in the shade as much as possible, and when it gets too hot to handle metal materials or tools, call it a day, go home, take some cold showers and air dry on the deck.

Humans survived for thousands of generations without AC. It only takes a week or two to adjust to it if you allow yourself to do so. Seems a bit counter-productive to throw more coal and gas on the fire to run ACs longer and harder the hotter it gets from throwing wood and gas on the fires that are getting us this hot.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 149 (view)
 
are you glad the hippies have gone?
Posted: 7/4/2012 6:50:49 AM

Those hippies now are all for big government giving them everything they need and more power to Big Brother.
I guess all that bad acid helped them buy into the propaganda


I didn't notice any old hippies voting for the Patriot Act, surveilence of citizens, torture, renditions and two bankrupting wars. Mostly the charge was led by and voted for by old chickenhawks and their spawn. Too much alcohol, coke, and acid reflux.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 538 (view)
 
Evolution vs Creationism/Intelligent Design
Posted: 7/4/2012 6:43:09 AM
I wonder how the fundamentalists will react to babies made from one man and two women....

http://www.trueactivist.com/worlds-first-genetically-modified-babies-created-in-us/


In a developing story, the Daily Mail is now reporting that the very first (admitted) group of genetically modified babies have been ‘created’ in the United States. The scientists involved reportedly announced the result on the night of June 27th, stating that 30 babies were born using genetic modification techniques. Furthermore, 2 of the babies tested were found to contain genes from a total of 3 different parents. The experiment also lasted over 3 years or more according to the researchers, which may be one of many.

The ‘GM babies’ were born into women who had trouble conceiving their own children. In order to ‘birth’ the babies, extra genes from a female donor were inserted into the women’s eggs before they were fertilized. After conception, scientists fingerprinted 2 of the one-year-old children and confirmed that they inherited DNA from 3 adults — one man and 2 women. What this means is that due to inheriting these extra genes through the genetic modification process, they will now be able to pass them along to their offspring. In other words, these genetically modified babies — if allowed to mate with non-GM humans — could potentially alter the very genetic coding of generations to come.

Genetecists state that this genetic modification method may one day be used to create babies “with extra, desired characteristics such as strength or high intelligence.”

The news comes after it was previously reported by British scientists that scientists were creating human-animal ‘monsters’. Such reports highlight the fact that rampant genetic experimentation is already taking place on many humans around the world, which has led a large number of scientists to call for new rules regarding the outlandish practice. Chinese scientists have already admittedly inserted human stem cells into goat fetuses, and United States researchers have actively researched the concept of engineering a mouse with human brain cells.

Many experts are now speaking out against the announcement, including leading fertility experts and major organizations. John Smeaton, national director of the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, said:


It is a further and very worrying step down the wrong road for humanity.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 788 (view)
 
Can culture advance without religion?
Posted: 7/4/2012 6:39:57 AM
These are the kind of fundamentalist terrorists who will ensure that culture will continue to struggle to advance.
http://skepchick.org/2011/01/christian-identity-the-scary-religion-you-don%E2%80%99t-know-about/
snip.more at link.


These racists are actually a special flavor of creationist. Here’s a brief outline of one of their core beliefs:

◦ Anglo-Saxon-Celtic peoples (whites) are God’s real chosen people, and descend in an unbroken line from Adam and Eve. They are by nature a superior race.
◦ Jews derive from Cain, himself the product of a sexual liaison between Eve and the Serpent (the original sin) in Eden, and so are biologically evil, the synagogue of Satan.
◦ Non-whites are pre-Adamic beings, soulless and akin to the Biblical beasts of the field. Cain mated with these peoples to produce today’s Jews.
◦ Jews are part of a Satanic plot to unite the world under a single government, to be taken over ultimately by the Devil himself. The plot is thousands of years old.
◦ Whites in America (the true House of Israel) must battle bloodily to usher in a period of Godly rule prior to the Second Coming. That means a race war.

There are many different flavors of the Identity creation story that lays out exactly how the origins of emud people are separate from (white) Adam and Eve but the gist is the same. Jews, Folks of Color, Homosexuals, and whoever else you happen to hate today are Demonic in origin. Or soulless animals. In other-words, non-white people are literally spawn of the devil. And, so, it’s your CHRISTIAN DUTY to kill them.

Christian Identity theology neatly sews together the idea of a religious base for racism and antisemitism, and an ideological rationale for violence against non-whites and their allies. It’s a two-fer!

You almost always see the words paramilitary or militia associated with Christian Identity believers. Why are they so violent? Their world is an absolute dichotomy: God or Devil. Angel or Satan.

There is no nuance, no compromise, no coalition building when you see your opponent as Lucifer Incarnate. People that oppose you are dupes. The federal government is controlled by the Devil. It’s a conspiracy you must resist. And resist violently.

Because, as mentioned above, a race war is needed to bring Christ back. It’s even got it’s own name: RAHOWA” Racial Holy War.

Why would someone buy into this? Generally, these sorts of racist, anti-governmental groups swell when economic times are bad. It’s a handy explanation for why there is so much Evil (and unemployment) in the world, despite the promises of a loving and caring God: the Devil is responsible. These Christians have lost control of their lives but they can take control back with sufficient ammunition and mayhem.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 63 (view)
 
Awaiting Supreme Court Decision on Health Care Mandate
Posted: 6/29/2012 3:11:13 PM
Not sure if other states have done this, but at the same time partisan conservatives were up in arms over "Obamacare", our Tennessee Republicans, with the guidance of the insurance industry, were writing mandatory Workers Compensation coverage. Many of my self-employed colleagues and I have opted out of the 15-20% Workers Comp coverage for years. Paying $10,000 a year for a policay that fought tooth and nail not to pay on rare occassions it was used, seemed like a waste of income. Now the law is written that to opt out, for the last three years we have been paying the $750 fee to opt out. No one in the conservative legislature championed the cause for workers. They did however have strong opinions on "Obamacare" mandates.

As with Romney and many other conservatives who were for many of the aspects of the ACA, they liked it at the time before Obama got elected and pushed it, and they needed to turn it into another hot button issue to obfuscate their horrible performance in helping with economic recovery.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 39 (view)
 
Question about genetically modified foods (gmo's)
Posted: 6/26/2012 6:02:00 PM
If MonInsanito is so proud of their products, why do they oppose labeling in the US when 50 other more civilized nations have banned their GMO death traps? They rely on subterfuge, lies, manipulation, control of governments, and PR to hide behind the lack of science to support their claims.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 85 (view)
 
Why be just/fair/good/etc ?
Posted: 6/24/2012 3:57:09 PM
Our local paper, founded by Adolf Ochs of New York Times fame, ran this piece today. This is in the belt buckle of the Bible Belt. While most of their religious coverage since taking over the Times part by Arkansas conseratives ran between right wing editors has maintained the Leviticus take on things, this one slipped by before the replacement neocon takes the reigns.
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/jun/24/a-sons-secret-brings-a-southern-baptist-minister/?news
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 19 (view)
 
154 suicides in 155 days
Posted: 6/19/2012 4:01:30 PM
There was one study that showed that over 80% of Gulf War personel were either on, or offered antidepressants. Many of the SSRIs increase suicidal thoughts. There is a need for much more study and followup ASAP to re-evaluate this flawed approach to treating PTSD and TBIs.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/07/nation/la-na-army-medication-20120408
http://www.naturalnews.com/019342.html

Phil Leveque, a combat veteran and physician dedicated to mental health care of Veterans has his take.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/february132009/mj_vs_drugs_2-13-09.php

Nothing can prepare a 20 year old for the reality of war vs. the romanticism. Coming into that reality, on your own, thousands of miles from your support network, at odds with your religious upbringing, and surrounded by peer pressure to "suck it up" makes the experience difficult enough. Then add on the back door draft of Stop Loss, repeated long deployments never before seen in our military, the populace setting our IEDs and snipers instead of the promised rose petals, and witnessing the horrors of kids, women and the elderly blown into bits, the wailing of survivors, while taking pharmaceuticals of dubious effectivness, and you have an isolated, desperate being, let to their own defenses and ill-prepared to cope with it all. It follows you home. It follows you for decades. None of us had the training, much less the expectation of what the aftermath of war really is for the rest of our lives, short as they may then be.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Justifiable Homicide?
Posted: 6/19/2012 4:41:25 AM
New NRA/ALEC laws are designed to relieve the murderer of the proof of guilt, since the dead person cannot tell their side of the story. Pretty sure that the majority of society has not suspended belief in the concept of innocence until proven guilty. "He said/she said" testimonies to third party vigilantes will often end up messy with no due process. The new laws open the floodgates for vigilanteism.

On the other hand, I wish we had had laws like these when I was a kid and could have shot the evil stepfather when I had the chance and motive and put him out of his misery to the lives of many afterwards. Likewise the dumbsh*t methhead who brandished a knife at me over a pay dispute. A lot of people have had moments where homocide would have been easy and justified, but the laws and consequences restrained them to find a more civilized resolution. Folks who have never killed people tend to romanticize the act and fail to understand how the aftermath affects all involved.

There should be a jury trial in any case of homocide to winnow out the facts, emotions, sanity, and events that led to a death. In the case of the OP, there could be a perception of molestation that did not exist. We just had a prominent figure in our community tried in the court of public opinion over alleged molestation of his granddaughter. When all the facts came out with eyewitness accounts, it was found that he was merely being affectionate and appropriate in his love for his grand daughter. Someone with an agenda saw one thing, and others saw something else, including the child. If indeed the OP kid was actually molested, it hardly helps with long term healing to add on the PTSD of watching someone get murdered.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Justifiable Homicide?
Posted: 6/19/2012 1:00:09 AM
The Murder Enablers Act...aka Stand Your Ground...aka Castle Doctrine laws have shown an opposite effect of what they were purported to have accomplished.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/06/11/study-says-stand-your-ground-laws-increase-homicides/

From the study:


Results indicate that the prospect of facing additional self-defense does not deter crime. Specifically, we find no evidence of deterrence effects on burglary, robbery, or aggravated assault. Moreover, our estimates are sufficiently precise as to rule out meaningful deterrence effects.

In contrast, we find significant evidence that the laws increase homicides. Suggestive but inconclusive evidence indicates that castle doctrine laws increase the narrowly defined category of justifiable homicides by private citizens by 17 to 50 percent, which translates into as many as 50 additional justifiable homicides per year nationally due to castle doctrine. More significantly, we find the laws increase murder and manslaughter by a statistically significant 7 to 9 percent, which translates into an additional 500 to 700 homicides per year nationally across the states that adopted castle doctrine.

Thus, by lowering the expected costs associated with using lethal force, castle doctrine laws induce more of it. This increase in homicides could be due either to the increased use of lethal force in self-defense situations, or to the escalation of violence in otherwise non-lethal conflicts. We suspect that self-defense situations are unlikely to explain all of the increase, as we also find that murder alone is increased by a statistically significant 6 to 11 percent.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 16 (view)
 
154 suicides in 155 days
Posted: 6/18/2012 5:52:27 PM

First of all, American soldiers are very badly trained
US ground forces have always been inferior, to just about any other armed forces
it is not a new thing, american ground forces have preformed very badly, in just about every war, america, has fought
training, has never been any kind of priority, and from ww2, to now, all that matters is equipment
those poor service people get no real training for any kind of combat, so naturally, they are terrified, when put into it!
so terrified that many loose their minds


I would love to hear how "proper" training can convert a citizen into a killing machine with no, or little regard, for human life, then turn the switch off after active duty. The desensitization process is designed to turn moral people into immoral people for the life of the enlistment and beyond. Once you "consent" to become a killing unit, it is expected that there will be no moral blowback because these are "enemy combatants", "commies", "insurgents" et. al. The process of turning a church going kiddo into a Crusader takes just a few hours. To make your way back from there takes decades or many years if lucky. Unless you have participated in the murder of hundreds or thousands of innocent beings just like you, you have no idea what that training, execution, and resultant guilt can do to kids thrown into these circumstances. When you are 20ish, kill, have to re-examine your entire belief system, and come out dry and crazy to a point, it is far different than theory. Ya have to have been there to understand.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
154 suicides in 155 days
Posted: 6/18/2012 4:20:56 PM

There is nothing new to see here.


What is new is that there are people keeping stats on what is really happening to Veterans. PTSD has only been recognized for a few decades and the effectiveness of talk and pharmaceutical therapy is being exposed as inefficient to the task.

Also, like many from the "buck it up and deal with it" generation of war Veterans, even years after one thinks we have conquered the PTSD monkey with time and survival, triggers like the Shock and Awe coverage, bring those monkeys roaring back with a vengence. Many of my colleagues shared tales of the startle reflex and nightmares returning after years of absence.

Also new, is the domination of management of stressed and depressed personel feeding active duty folks****ails of poor performing and more poorly understood synergys of stresss and the****ails. The Vietnam Vet populace self medicated with pot, a proven and effective home grown tool. Now stigmatized, more Vets are relying on big Pharma. I went to a conference of VA, Vet Center, hospice folks, and other organizations focused on Veteran mental health care a couple of years ago. The overall focus was on talk and pharmaceuticals. When I dared broach the subject of the efficacy of self treatment via pot, the room went silent...the crowd sent the uncomfy vibe several doors down, and the Pharma boys and their Doctors went on the defensive. It was only afterwards, that people approached me in the hallway or outside and said it needed to be asked, then begged for anonymity in their observations.

Also new, was the National Guard becoming the International Guard, doing Nation Building, a thing lil Bush had disdain for before his daddy complex drove him into Bagdad. The Guard was abused and taken from it's purpose and intent.

Also new, was the prolific use of DU weaponry. It took decades and the battles are still being fought over Agent Orange. Senior Bush's "Gulf War Syndrome" combined with the lil Bush, Chickenhawk in Chief DU party, joined by big Pharma in trying to hide the symptoms, will play out over decades and generations with birth defects and a mounting responsibility to Veterans, their families and offspring that does not bode well for a nation now focused on austerity. Screwing Veterans in the past will not hold a candle to how they will probably be left to die in drove in the future.
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 723 (view)
 
Can culture advance without religion?
Posted: 6/18/2012 1:26:28 AM
Christian extremists are behind the push to impose a theocracy in the US and around the world. Troubling as that is, there were a handful of them who made it into the republican primaries this year, ironically and safely for now, with a mormon beating them back.

Our past congressman Wamp, was a C Street extremist, now offering up his kiddo as a candidate. The Christian Taliban is relentlessly shoving people into positions and seeking to install their version of Sharia Law. They tend to hate the Constitution and Bill of Rights and seperation concept.
http://archive.truthout.org/c-street-review-is-fact-power-its-justification66406
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/06/17/the-tea-party-agenda-of-trickle-down-religion/
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 718 (view)
 
Can culture advance without religion?
Posted: 6/17/2012 4:14:21 PM
The regressive movement in the US and elsewhere is being led by Christians and others against the secularism that has protected religious freedom over the centuries. The wars on women and homosexuals, people who smoke pot, etc. are led by the same folks who want a Christian Taliban sort of tribunal to rule this country. Locally, in a fairly large metro area of Tennessee, the county commissioners are again, battling to fight against the Freedom From Religion groups to instill a theocracy in the county, leading off sessions with a christian prayer involking Jesus name before the secular business of governance. It is a never-ending struggle to beat back the dark ages and the gains of the enlightenment since to govern in a way that protects all of society, while protecting religious freedom. In their revisionism of history, the theocrats forget the struggles of the founders not that long ago in making this one of the better experiments in protecting both freedom of, and freedom from.
http://www.alternet.org/belief/155890/the_truth_about_religion_in_america:_the_founders_loathed_superstition_and_we_were_never_a_christian_nation?page=entire
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 15 (view)
 
No confidence vote
Posted: 6/15/2012 6:29:02 AM
I did get to vote for Vermin Supreme in the primaries, with tongue firmly planted in cheek and a grin.
I did vote for Obama as the lesser of the truly evils, knowing full well he was a typical Chicago politician and would be a conservative "liberal", pandering to the right on many issues. I did not foresee the far right hissy fit where they vowed 4 years of brat-like obstructionism and economic hostage taking because their kids didn't win last time. Their main goal has been to get Obama out of office in this cycle, the country be damned.

Then we have the far right side of the Supreme Court negating democracy in the Citizens United ruling to allow our elections to become nothing more than an auction where the highest bidder/spent upon, can propagandize and lie their way into office. Granny D and McCain-Feingold could not reign in corporate campaign finances, but the Supremes opened the flood gates to billionaires and corporations to buy even more power. It's increasingly doubtful we will ever see much honesty in politics until the Citizens United ruling is overturned.

I will have to vote for Obama/against the Sociopath this time around as well. Over 2/3rds of Americans including 49% of Republicans still blame Bush for the ongoing economic stagmire. Bush was the worst President in my lifetime, and it will take decades to recover from his blunders.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/americans-bush-still-more-blame-obama-economy-143913248.html
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 118 (view)
 
Are Caucasians decendents of Arabs ?
Posted: 6/14/2012 4:03:04 PM
I found this amusing and enlightening as to the advent of Europeans, Southern Mediteranians and Africans among others on these shores in this hemisphere. Revisionist history is granted to the conquerors, often without challenges. Most of us grew up on these myths, not the least of which were stinky people who came to destroy civilized and clean folks.
http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html
 earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 102 (view)
 
who has more rights?
Posted: 6/13/2012 5:58:40 PM
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

So sorry for your disdain of the intent and purpose of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and Bill of Rights. You repeatedly show your prejucice and hood and sheets. It is partisan, and based in disdain of rights for people who are not white, to the right and in dire need of protection for their prejudices. The same crap ya'll used to justify apartheid, discrimination, anti-miscogenation lawas, renditions, torture, and indefinate detentions, are covered under the bill of rights and the constitution. Just because you choose to live in a few centuries in the past, does not give you the right to consign current and future generations into an ancient, but antiquianted and obsolete, time and place. North Georgia welcomes you back. The rest of the world thinks you are obsolete. Get over it.
 
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