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 Author Thread: Alpha Male or 5 year old ?
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 15 (view)
Alpha Male or 5 year old ?
Posted: 6/29/2007 11:00:50 AM

women often seem attracted to these violent, domianting types..think it's cool or sexy when it's directed at "other people"

Unfortunately, that's often true. Why ? Our culture's persistent glorification of violence ? Our barbaric, misconcieved notion that physical displays of aggression indicate some kind of alpha male. ? It may work for silverback gorillas, but civilization dictates that some of us may be more evolved than others.

The ultimate strength is self-control. A five year old can throw a fist.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 12 (view)
Got a headache? Does your spouse own a gun?
Posted: 6/29/2007 6:33:19 AM

The dark humour (and yes, my sense of humour is warped enough to see it ) would have received a somewhat hostile response had the gender roles been reversed.

i agree with you. Perhaps because women, and their children, are murdered much more often by men, we are more sensitized to this subject as a tragedy that befalls women, again, and again, and again.
We are saturated with it. Some knew the women that were murdered, many know women that are, or were abused by their partners. Many were abused themselves, survived, and carry the scars. It happens alot. So it makes sense that more people will be touched by it in how it impacts women and their children.

Beyond that, the story would have received much wider coverage, possibly including a special manhunt segment on AMW for a viscious killer on the run wanted for attempted murder. Paris Hilton would have been hard pressed to come up with another crisis to rank above that story.

Unless the woman was a celebrity, ...or white, and very pregnant, with a beautiful smile, Paris would have nothing to worry about.

The deeper issue I am trying to get at here, is that the media has taken over the role of shaping societal attitudes by what and how they choose to report on. The traditional role of reflecting societal values has given way to this new pursuit in an effort to cater to advertising dollars.

i definately agree with you. But not so much as it relates to this subject. Corporations don't have women's issues high on their list of priorities in my opinion. Which is also odd, when you think about it, because women are known to be the greater consumers.

Byrd would have had to seek protective custody from quite a number of the posters on here because he would not have been able to resist the urge to quip 'Possibly for the first time in history, the man knew she wasn't lying when she said "Not tonight honey, I have a headache". '

"Protective custody"

"Not tonight honey, I have a headache" ... classic.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 9 (view)
Got a headache? Does your spouse own a gun?
Posted: 6/28/2007 8:24:18 PM

If that was a woman with a bullet in her head, would the response be different you think? would there be less humour about it?

uhmmm, lets try that in reverse.

"And what the heck was going through his mind when he realized she wasn't dead..Or when she got up and said to her husband "Honey...My head hurts.."
... and then she goes off to make some toast.

i'm still giggling. Dark humour, i guess.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
Got a headache? Does your spouse own a gun?
Posted: 6/28/2007 7:57:25 PM

From CNN
A US woman is facing firearms charges after doctors probing her husband's "headache" found a bullet in his head. Michael Moylan was admitted to hospital in Florida on Wednesday complaining of severe head pain. His wife April fled when a bullet was discovered.

Do you think the media portray stories like this one differently if the genders were reversed?

Not at all. i think what was most stunning about this story was that this guy was actually walking around complaining about a headache... with a bullet in his head. So the oddity of the situation distracts us from the issue of domestic violence.

As for the general treatment of media towards domestic violence crimes as they relate to gender ? It's hard to say. i have read about women murdering their husbands, but far less often than men murdering their wives. But then, statistically it happens far less often according to sociology and criminology journals.

And generally speaking, there is another notable difference between the genders in both history of violence, and degree of violence. Men often have more history of physically abusive behavior, threats, and stalking, all of which are illegal acts. So when it hits the press, it becomes a, "why couldn't she, and often her kids, have been saved' story.

There are women who kill their husbands in response to being abused for years. And they are doing time, as they should be. Their second mistake, after choosing that guy, was staying in that situation. Their third was killing him.

There are, a seemingly rare, number of 'black widows" out there, who premeditate, plot and plan ... and does that ever sell papers !

I wonder what caliber it was what a trip makes ya wonder how long before she shot him did he hurt? And what the heck was going through her mind when she realized he wasn't dead..Or when he got up and said to his wife "Honey...My head hurts.."
I would pay to see the look on her mug..

You're a riot Byrd !
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 83 (view)
The right to hate
Posted: 6/26/2007 1:54:52 PM

Did you know there are far more "hate" crimes directed at the majority?

Perhaps you could share your definition of hate crime.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 81 (view)
The right to hate
Posted: 6/26/2007 1:25:10 PM

Nope , I mean a society that all are equal under the law without special entitlements and special "protected groups"

Wouldn't that be nice. And until then we'll have to deal in Reality.
And protect visable minorities from the violent hate crimes that are perpetrated against them because of their color, religion or sexual orientation.

Like the black man that was murdered in Texas by being dragged on the back of a truck until he was dismembered.

Like young Matthew Shepard. Tied to a fence, beated and left in the cold night until he was dead. Because he was gay.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 78 (view)
The right to hate
Posted: 6/26/2007 1:07:03 PM
Perhaps you missed my question. *shrugs*
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 76 (view)
The right to hate
Posted: 6/26/2007 12:59:05 PM
... ya think so ? And we've only just met.

...a free society.

Now when you say "free society", do you mean the kind where a pathological minority of a dominant group feels an entitlement to maim, torture and kill a menber of an oppressed group ?
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 75 (view)
The right to hate
Posted: 6/26/2007 12:44:51 PM

The "protected" can continue "hating" the majority , all the while enjoying special "potection"

Gee, i wouldn't deprive anyone of that right, unless i wanted to control their thoughts.

Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 73 (view)
The right to hate
Posted: 6/26/2007 12:39:17 PM

"thought crime"

Have they developed a thought monitoring thingy ?!
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 71 (view)
The right to hate
Posted: 6/26/2007 12:25:05 PM
"If you can't form a cogent idea, building a train-wreck of adjectives doesn't negate this reality, only confirms it. lateā„¢

"dictatorship of the minorities"

... would require the minority to hold societal dominance over the majority.
Economically, militarily ... etc. So that phrase doesn't fly in this context.

It appears more as an irrational fear of a member of a dominant group who may lose entitlement to an abuse of power.

....zombie hoard of mouth-breathers
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
Woman Booted Off Flight For Anti-Bush Shirt
Posted: 10/6/2005 8:47:58 PM

" Private citizens, by definition,
can not violate another individual citizen's first amendment rights. "

Which citizen's individual first amendment rights were violated ? And how ?
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
Woman Booted Off Flight For Anti-Bush Shirt
Posted: 10/6/2005 8:31:53 PM
~ The problem though, Gotapulse, .. is they shouldn't have the right to let her on
.. and then suddenly boot her off. Some consistency is in order.

This actually surprises me in America.
It's something i would much more expect in China.
Not in a modern society that boasts of " Freedom " and " Liberty "
You know, all those Wonderful ideals. Maybe they're slippin lately. ..
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
A man's gotta do what he's gotta do...
Posted: 10/6/2005 8:23:15 PM
~ " filing a false instrument " ~

You'd think they'd at least ask for a photo ID. ... Geeeeeez ! Bureaucrats !
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 10 (view)
Woman Booted Off Flight For Anti-Bush Shirt
Posted: 10/6/2005 8:15:32 PM
~ " much ado about nothing "

double cabin - " It had to have been passengers complaining,
for if it were policy she would not have been let on the plane, no? "

This is where i have a problem.
If it was "policy" they shouldn't have let her on the plane.
In my opinion, they were totally wrong to kick her off afterwards.

jack mack
"My opinion would suggest that you can say whatever as long as it doesn't infringe or otherwise inhibit or trample anyone elses rights for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. "

Agree 100%. ~

"What about children?
Not everyone wishes their kids to be exposed to some person with such a shirt."

And what if she was walking down the street wearing the same shirt ?
Should she be forced to change it to protect lil innocent eyes ? Gimme a break !
If it's not printed on a shirt, it will be graffitied on some wall somewhere.
Rather than censor, why not use the experience to teach kids about words that
aren't nice ? And hey, .. maybe even tolerence of speech "we" don't like ?

"Lorrie Heasley said she plans to press a civil-rights complaint against the airline ...
But the American Civil Liberties Union said Heasley's T-shirt is "protected" free
speech under the Constitution."

... i hope she wins. i've seen quite a few t-shirts that i personally found offensive.
It would never cross my mind to deny another person their right to express themselves.
If it offends me, ... i don't have to keep looking. It's that simple.
To censor free expression would be a "cure" worse than the "disease".

" I disapprove of what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it."
~ Voltaire 1909

<------(~ laffs at toon .. )
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 10 (view)
Jennifer Teague, Missing, abducted, murdered.
Posted: 9/23/2005 2:56:02 AM
Steve Harper

" So the questions I have for you, and for all POF,
especially the young women, is multifold:

1) Would you feel insulted if I, assuming I was your part time manager or even a
co-worker, told you you would be much safer, even walking, if I escorted you
home? I am 5'10", about 220 lbs. You are about Jennifer's size, 5'4 and 105 lbs."
"... a young, tiny woman would be a lot safer with a big guy like me with her,.."

~ uhmm, Sir ?
... Would you like us all to just pop our responses right into your personal messages?
But "girls" please try to respect the messaging restrictions stated on this kind Sir's profile.

Now, my response:

~ If the company economically benefits by scheduling those,...*pretty young thangs*,
on late night shifts,..cus they're "good for business", and they OFTEN do.. for that reason.
Then they can absorb the cost of their car pool taxi ride, to get more than one
female home safely. Can't afford it ? ... then schedule the guys on the late night shifts.

~ And NO, ... i don't believe a "manager" or "even a co-worker", should be escorting a
young woman home alone, or any other woman for that matter. That is presisely what
could lead to an abuse of power. Unless of course, you naturally assume all "managers"
and employed males are the "good guys".

It should be rather, company policy, that a male manager should NOT be allowed to
drive a female employee home, unless there's a male employee present and females are
dropped off first.

There are those who attempt to increase and exploit a woman sense of vulnerability.
And "playing" a hero, can be verrrry manipulative, in my opinion.

And certainly it's not just women, who need employers to consider their personal
safety and security. There are frequently situations where men can be just as vulnerable,
or more so. Having worked in the industry, you must be aware that it is often company
policy that a male worker is NOT to be left alone to, "close a cash"...close the
establishment, make a bank deposit, ...etc... He is accompanied by another employee
to protect his safety. But surely... you know this.

Should a "young" female, wait alone for the manager to close, before being
"escorted home" ? Perhaps in some men's fantasies.
But in my opinion, that would in many ways, drastically increase risks to her safety.
And NO, .. i am certainly NOT only talking about strangers.

" I have a friend named Karen,... who used to intimidate even the toughest of my
Boy Scouts, she is as big as me. Karen would be safe walking home from Wendys,
most men would give her a wide berth. The truth of life is, though, that for every Karen,
there are 25 "average" or "petite" young woman, who are a lot more vulnerable.

What ? Karen gets to walk home alone ? .... Nice.
Buddy, all women can be raped and killed.
Including big women, and elderly women.

"... force them to protect these valuable young lives."

~ ALL persons lives are "valuable". Get with the program.

" Around 1970, the Ontario Government, under pressure from *your* friends,
the womens liberation movement, "liberated" Ontario women. Women were no
longer considered a "weaker sex", they were equal to men. They now lost the right
to a safe ride home, they were liberated! They now gained the right to be raped and murdered! HOW SICK IS THAT??

~ Well just Damn those feminists, huh ?
In my opinion, what IS sick, is you're equating equal rights for women with,
" the right to be raped and murdered ! " That is EXTREMELY misogynist.
Misogynist, a word that was coined by the "womens liberation movement".
Don't get my meaning. Look it up.

"Hi, Chriztina, I am a man, father of 2 girls, ... "

~ Sir, you are 59 years old. Are they "girls" or are they Women ?
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
Jennifer Teague, Missing, abducted, murdered.
Posted: 9/22/2005 11:58:55 PM

firebird1978 - " Another bad thing is that some people feel safe knowing they have
a weapon to defend themselves, yet they have no training on how to use that weapon. "

No major training required for many of the above mentioned "weapons".
Other than, keeping it "handy", like ...IN your hand... when at risk.
So your not suddenly grabbing your lipstick while fumbling through your purse.

There can be a danger in feeling "safe" if it leads to becoming reckless.
Alternately, there can be an increased level of percieved, and displayed confidence.
Studies have shown that certain behavior styles, .. submissive, timid, lost, weak ...
can sometimes increase the probability of victimization.
In many ways, it is still the Animal Kingdom.

yna6 - The law in Ontario is that you cannot carry mace, pepper spray, tasers...nothing.

~ Quebec too. It was interesting on the day, years ago, that i went looking for mace,
or pepper spray, in the seediest, ...*red light*,... drug infested .. area of the City...
Surely, if it's to found, ... it's there right ?

... i walked into one "head shop" after another, and as i peered down in horror at the
6 or 7 inch Knives and Daggers, showcased under glass, i was told by the store clerk,
"Nope, .. we can't sell it, ... cus it's illegal."

" IF you so much as spray perfume or Lysol at an attacker you are
charged with assault, no matter what the circumstances are. "

~ Fine.

" Only in court will you be able to "justify" what you did...and if you can't,
to the courts satisfaction, You will be found guilty, BUT, the court may
find extinguating circumstances and lighten the sentence. "

~ Fine.

" The person you spray (or whatever) has the right to sue you personally though...

~ Bring it On ! ... and good luck.

" So you both walk away with a criminal record."

~ Buy hey, ... you do get to, ... "w-a-l-k away".

Note: i did eventually acquire a secret weapon.
The ironic tragedy was that the close female friend who smuggled it
into Canada from the States for me, was shortly after, murdered by a gunshot.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 18 (view)
King Ralph shows the love....
Posted: 9/22/2005 11:12:10 PM

" The product is market driven, based on many variables. There is no simple equation or fix."

~ appoloosa,
... i have become very interested lately, in learning about that "market".
It's very interesting, and complex. i was reading how Katrina has impacted not only
North American gas, and crude oil supplies, ... but Worldwide reserves.
Governed by the International Energy Agency.

Now, the other "shoe is dropping", with the disastrous potential of Hurricane Rita.

To be blunt, i really don't trust, the powers that be.
Most people do not have a whole lot of time to invest into researching,
and understanding the market and what could be going on.
Understandably, because as you said...most people are...

" Trying to meet the mortgage payments, feed the kids, and provide other necessities
of life when costs were going up."

~ So the majority of consumers, are just flying blind on trust in government.
Blind trust in government is Never a good thing, in my opinion.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 94 (view)
Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/22/2005 9:36:14 PM

" i've just finished watching the world summit meeting organised by clinton, who has
invited bono, queen rania, paul wolfowitz, and all kinds of people working to abolish hunger and poverty in the world... very interesting... it's also about environmental issues and clean energy, how to solve the problem of religious extremism, the pros and cons of the precious right of free speech ie: when it's used to incite violence and murder... and lots of other stuff!!!! "

Thankyou leanhaunshee ! ... for that information !
... i wish i saw that, but i'll search for information on it.

<------ ( loves Bono ! ~ ... His Bravery, and his music.)
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 91 (view)
Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/22/2005 9:21:23 PM
~ canucksailor

" I find it interesting that this rally to impeach Bush has an interfaith ceremony involved
here in Canada, that would not happen, since religion in the public context is not acceptable."

~ Guess you missed all those anti-abortion rallies. .... *rolls eyes*

"It is even against the law to speak the Lord's Prayer at the opening of public meetings."

THAT .. is called ... separation of church and state.
Historically thought, ... by rational people, ... as a good thing.

" There is no freedom of speech in Canada either...
just take a look at our hate crime laws, such as Bill C250.

~ Yeah ! Let's bring on the Hate Speech ! ~
... now should weeeee, ... " speak the Lord's Prayer ", ... before ... or afterwards.
Why don't we just mingle it, ... following the prevalent tendency. ... Yeah !

... like your flag, ... "Canadian Sailor "... man. ~ ~
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 85 (view)
Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/22/2005 8:44:27 PM

" .. impeachment issue ... oh-so-slow response to the katrina disaster
...justice for katrina victims' demonstration. "

~ leanhaunshee,
... i think any attempts towards impeachment on " Justice for Katrina victims "
at this point will be premature. Though i'm glad, if citizens remain mindful of it,
for the future. The full evidence of this tragedy is not even yet realized.

Katrina's Death Toll Climbs Past 1,000 - sept 22

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Searchers looking for bodies smashed into homes that had been
locked or submerged under Hurricane Katrina's highest floodwaters, pushing the overall
body count past 1,000 as another hurricane threatens to prolong the hunt for the dead.

The death toll in Louisiana stood at 799 on Wednesday, an increase of 153 since the weekend and nearly 80 percent of the 1,036 deaths attributed to Katrina across the Gulf Coast region. Officials said the effort could last another four to six weeks.

" There still could be quite a few, especially in the deepest flooded areas," said
U.S. Coast Guard Capt. Jeffrey Pettitt. " Some of the houses, they haven't been in yet."
At one home, Miami-Dade Fire Department Capt. Edan Jacobs kicked at a door a dozen
times, then used a sledgehammer. Police officers and National Guardsmen stood by,
weapons ready, as emaciated dogs circled.
Dr. Louis Cataldie, medical incident commander for Louisiana, said the elderly appear
to make up the bulk of the dead but that searchers also are finding more children.
Many homes are unsafe to enter, while others lay under piles of muck and debris.
Some homes are so structurally unsound they are marked, "Do not enter."
Much of the final search was being conducted in eastern New Orleans.
Crews probed areas of the city that just recently have been drained enough to allow
ground searches - neighborhoods that were closest to the fractured levees and bore
the brunt of the floodwaters' force.

As the weeks pass, the urgency of the task increases because bodies are decomposing rapidly.

Bodies are still found scattered around homes and in streets. On Tuesday, a badly decomposed corpse in the Ninth Ward lay draped over a fence, its nearly skeletized
head resting on the ground and one leg jutting in the air.

Pettitt, the Coast Guard official in charge of retrieval, acknowledged frustration with the process and with trying to coordinate with Kenyon International Emergency Services, the private company that has contracted with the state to remove the bodies.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco asked President Bush on Wednesday to appoint an independent commission to investigate the preparations for and response to Hurricane Katrina
- adding her voice to a chorus of Democrats calling for an independent investigation.

Bush has named Frances Fragos Townsend, his in-house homeland security adviser,
to lead an administration investigation into the sluggish federal response to Katrina.
The appointment of Townsend, a former federal prosecutor, hasn't satisfied Democrats
on Capitol Hill who are demanding a fully independent investigation.

09/22/05 02:38 EDT (full article)

It seems that there are homes that may contain dead Americans
who may never be counted, or accounted for.
If those homes are just bulldozed, ... that will be an added disgrace.
Given the enormous geographical dispersion of the former population of citizens
of New Orleans, those dead Americans might just be assumed " missing ". Their
wherabouts, a mystery for those in denial, who are hoping for the best.

... i would be eager to learn the outcome of an " independant investigation " .

" On Tuesday, a badly decomposed corpse in the Ninth Ward lay draped over a fence,
its nearly skeletized head resting on the ground and one leg jutting in the air. "

This was a United States Citizen. This, was someone's family member.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 84 (view)
Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/22/2005 8:01:28 PM
~ eagle hon ? ... our dear Ben ... is Not Canadian.
He's American. And noone has more right to address this topic, than he does.

" ... because I do not believe that the world does hate the US..."

... i believe alot of people hate U.S. foreign policy, and the present administration..
Most, i hope, don't hate the American people.

In fact, many people around the world aspire to be just like the American people.
Especially the youth. In Japan ...Iran...alot of people would be very surprised.

" ... cute lil penguin, LOL, what does it mean? "

... he's my lil friend. ... and he's Canadian. ... and he was squinting at you.

Edit: Ben, ... Theodore Roosevelt.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 78 (view)
Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/22/2005 7:37:34 PM

" The poster was indicating that the WORLD hates America. "
"... the poster was trying to represent the WORLD view of America,
.... he was speaking on behalf of Canadians as we are part of the world

~ eagle ? ... i must have missed something ! Who is this poster ? ... and which post ?
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 61 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/22/2005 7:32:16 PM

" ...and even on such a gloomy topic! "

... i agree nittany. ... i guess it's where it's needed the most.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 76 (view)
Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/22/2005 7:23:17 PM

" We in Canada love America, so speak for yourself. "

~ There is something ... sooooo Wrong ... about that sentence. ~

"It has never been proven that Bush fixed elections, and at this point, who cares if he did."

~ ~
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 59 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/22/2005 7:02:09 PM

" Amazing how long ice wil last in the steel tub and you don't have to worry about draining. "

~ wow, jimtex, ... that is creative !
.. And selfcontaining of spills should there be breakage.

See what happens when PoF minds get together on constructive ideas.

People are probably wrapping alot of breakables and heirlooms and stuff.
... i've never experienced anything like this. Is there public information available ?
Like laying items down that could topple ? Or strategically moving appliances and
heavy items in ways to reduce damage to them, and surrounding objects ?

Weighting down the washing machine with stuff might be good for that too.
Densely packing objects together to reduce movement ?
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 58 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/22/2005 6:23:05 PM
~ ~Cheers Ashley, ... and Good Luck
... a lil " Southern Comfort ", might be in order as well.

~ ~
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 73 (view)
Rally to Impeach Dumbya
Posted: 9/22/2005 6:14:35 PM
Thankyou David. i wish i could do more, ... like vote on this.
... i'm still outraged, and horrified from the suffering i watched happen,
day after day, to my American neighbors, and fellow human beings.
It has left me with that horrible surreal, .. unreal .. type of memory that i experienced
after watching the suffering and murder of innocent Americans on September 11th.
It was traumatizing. This time i knew to reduce my exposure to the visual images,
and followed the news primarily in written form.

("Burke" .. read Bush)

"Burke is not affected by the reality of distress touching his heart,
but by the showy resemblence of it striking his imagination.
He pities the plumage, but forgets the dying bird. "
~ Thomas Paine .. The Rights of Man (1791)
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 57 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/22/2005 5:48:38 PM

"I filled ice in assorted containers in the freezer and filled both bath tubs with water."

~ ? ~ ... Can you wrap some of your fridge food in ice cubes ?
Maybe move as much as you can to the freezer compartment. If you lose power,
your freezer may stay colder longer because of it's insulation, ... especially if it's
densely packed.

Towels could be wrapped around fridge food too ... as insulation ?
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 102 (view)
Teacher may be fired for wanting to teach... How sad....
Posted: 9/22/2005 5:22:53 PM

" I think that's part of his reason for the make up.... "

~ ~ Brilliant ? How's this for brilliant ? The guy makes ooodles of money, -> and can go prancing through the world in complete anonymity. -> .. No paparazi shoving cameras in his face... no fans interrupting a lovely dinner...
Heck, ... he can sail right through Walmart, ...bump into any of us, and we wouldn't
have a clue. THAT, ... is having your cake and eating it too.

Always thought those KISS guys were onto something. ~ ~

...i'm gonna Rock and Roll, ... all niiiiiiight, ... and Party e-v-e-r-y-d-a-y ! ....

[Never ever ever ever (getting it yet?) use OFFSITE smilies. /Forum_Moderator]
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
King Ralph shows the love....
Posted: 9/22/2005 5:07:34 PM

" ... quite the contrary to my joke about Canadians learning from us."

Thanks David, don't worry, i've seen enough of your posts to have gotten that joke.
Which was why i spent time responding to you.

" It will of course take a very strong effort to elect more independent candidates in
the U.S. elections in Nov 2006, who have the people's interest at heart (and mind)
instead of that of the oligarchy. "

That would be a very brave candidate indeed. And is it even possible for that candidate
to achieve success ? Or will it lead to another split of a voting base, such as what
occurred when Ralph Nader ran ?

And speaking of the, " oligarchy ", i recall some effort to reduce campaign funding for candidates, provided by powerful interest groups. ... What's happened with that ?
How can there ever be a level playing field that allows a candidate to prioritize the best
interests of American citizens, when the rights of powerful " nonpersons " are overriding
the collective rights of individual citizens ?
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 12 (view)
King Ralph shows the love....
Posted: 9/22/2005 4:36:48 PM

appoloosa - " Please add education to the short list. "

Definately agree appoloosa.
~ Education is high on my "list" in spite of not being mentioned.
Investing into education for our future citizens is extremely cost-effective in the long term. In it's potential to reduce future costs regarding, recurrent demands for unemployment insurance benefits, welfare dependency, and costs associated with court prosecution and criminal incarceration. Citizen productivity is positively correlated with educational attainment. This contributes to a higher living standard for all. The higher the productivity the more contribution there can be to taxes collected, as well as increasing the purchasing power by citizens, which contributes to a thriving progressive economy.

The alternative, ... a higher percentage of citizens depending on government resources.
This will drain funds away from our social institutions, and presently threatens the pension fund for the rapidly increasing population of seniors who have contributed all their lives and are entitled to these benefits. They should not be suffering hardship, and a decreasing access to quality medical care in their time of need.

mrgoodhands ... "(older house, poor insulation) "
... speaking of cost-effective ... you gotta get that house insulated.
The investment will shortly pay for itself, and then pay dividends.
i was in the same situation a few years ago... Huge gas bill !
Researched and invested into new "R-factor" , "argon gas", windows everywhere.
But be careful insulating an "older house". It can be done, but if not done right,
it could lead to condensation problems. There's "vapour barriors" ... get good advice.
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Msg: 4 (view)
Trump gets the OK to build in Phoenix and the RICH still find a way to complain.
Posted: 9/22/2005 3:45:44 PM
~Why not nit, they are experiencing a loss related to a particular benefit that
they paid for at the time of purchasing of their property.

And if the new development, indeed, depreciates the market value of their property,
why would they not, in your view, be entitled to monetary compensation ?

This condo development could also have a Huge impact on the affected owner's
ability to market and sell those properties.

If i were one of those owners, or their realtor, i would suggest they collectively launch
a court challenge (class action) before construction of the condo development begins.
Mr. Trump can certainly afford to compensate these people.

And as an affected property owner, i would personally sell and move, (if possible),
as Soon as Possible (!) ... to a new property with, " a view " or whatever else ups
the future potential for appreciation on market value.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 100 (view)
Teacher may be fired for wanting to teach... How sad....
Posted: 9/22/2005 3:13:54 PM

" A good teacher molds minds. "

~ i'd rather, ... A good teacher cultivates minds.
Society has enough drones, incapable of independant, or creative thought.

" The teacher was right. Rap in it's lyrical form (good rap that is) may be
considered an art form or expression of teenage angst,
but English has to be used in the wonderful world of employment. "

.. i absolutely agree with you toon.
But let there be place for the cultivation of that creativity and artistic expression
in a creative writing class. Normally a recognized aspect of the "english" curriculum.
This expression should be respected as a valid representation of one aspect of
a diverse and evolving American culture. To deny, negate and suppress this voice,
is a form of further racial oppression of Americans represented in that cultural
community. And for some, i think the 'agenda' is precisely that.

" A riot is at bottom the language of the unheard. "
~ Martin Luther King ~ Chaos or Community (1967)

Historically, there are many respected examples of literature created in an "english
language" that is far removed from the present "english" used in the business world.

One has only to consider much of the great literature that was inspired and created
in the South. Wonderfully created to express the American Southern experience.
Written often, in fact, in a form that expresses Southern speak, or Southern "drawl".
Should that have been graded with an "F". Thrown out ?
How about Shakespeare ? Try using that language in the business world.
Should it be recognized now, and studied ?

The King James Version of the bible ? Great literature.
Doesn't conform at all to the modern english language.
Should we throw it out ? Or glean from it's language,
the extraordinary images, meaning and ideas represented there.

" you know one of the more eloquent speakers I have heard was
surprisingly Marylin Manson,... "

.... marita !!!! ... sooooo know what you mean !
i've heard him speak too. i think he's brilliant, bordering on genius ! ~
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 56 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/22/2005 2:02:10 PM

" the President will track Rita down and kill her. He won't stop until she is found."

~ ~ lmao !

" Jimtex, your post needs to be in another thread, one in which Blames Bush for everything!! "

Directs Jimtex to the appropriate thread.
----> Thread: Rally to Impeach Dubbya

~ ~
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 55 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/22/2005 1:34:00 PM
... i hope you hear that they are safe or on their way to safety soon.
" The Tequila and Irish whiskey " ... Yikes, ... take care or you'll be in horrible shape,
if, or when they get to you. If you'd like some unsolicited advice....

Make some coffee, ... a relaxing shower, ...then stay busy preparing your home for
your guests. Dust, Cook stuff, Bake (?) .. The physical movement, and positive actions
will distract and help to reduce your tension. And play your favorite CD's. Mood therapy.

Worry will deplete your strength. .. Be strong, stay busy.

Edit: " a chiropractor. " .. (*runs for her yellow pages*)
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 54 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/22/2005 1:19:25 PM
~ ~ s'ok Chuck,

i've always loved that song. And i have been reminded of it, " a million times " .
And i'm really not a " showgirl " .. Copa ...copa ...cabana ...

" ... makes me think of this one song by the kinks. "
That's just cus yur kinky.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 53 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/22/2005 1:09:09 PM
~ Soho ? No, should i visit ?
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 52 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/22/2005 12:17:44 PM

" Let's make this a clean loot we don't need to get killed just because someone gets
greedy and wants to steel a cow. "
" If my house is blown down, all of my dirty DVDs and sex toys will be exposed for the neighbors to see. I have to stay here and defend my smut. "

~ ~ Comedy relief.

" ... those who want to blame the US as the worlds biggest pollutant in
their reddened and tear soaked eyes. "

~ ~
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
Trump gets the OK to build in Phoenix and the RICH still find a way to complain.
Posted: 9/21/2005 10:51:03 PM

" I object to the rich complaining about anything."

~ i wouldn't deny anyone a right to complain.

If those who are complaining, paid for a particular property, and appreciated their
" view " , they may have a very good cause to complain. And, be entitled to some
compensation if their property depreciates as a result of this new development.

See .. " property rights ".

<----(previously worked in real estate. ~ )
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
King Ralph shows the love....
Posted: 9/21/2005 10:35:51 PM

" Have you Canadians learned nothing? You'd think your proximity to the U.S.
would give you the exposure to see how things SHOULD be done. "

~ Unfortunately David, there are those whe ARE learning the very things
that are could be disastrous in the future, to citizens of this country.

There are progressive attempts to erode our medicare system, into the inflated profit
machine that exists in th U.S. It is being referred to now as a " 2 tier system ".
And it is naturally, the poorer classes who stand the most to lose eventually, in terms
of entitlement to quality care.

As other countries attempt to model our historical standard of socialized medicine,
there have been politicians progressively, and continuously diverting funds away from
this highly valued institution. Depleting it's resouces to an extent that has given rise
to a percieved need by some, for privatized medicine.

Numerous studies have shown our system to be far more cost effective. But there are
those, who at this point, would sooner, "throw the baby out with the bath water".
Their vision is myopic, and highly self-centered. Rather, politicians should be lobbied to replace the depleted funds required to maintain our health care system at an optimum
level. And to maintain health care as a Canadian priority. This would again, benefit all Canadians, not just the elite. And that ideology adheres to values that refect Canadian culture and history.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 50 (view)
Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/21/2005 9:34:21 PM

" I've just heard today from a friend in nyc that there is to be a rally in Washington,
D.C. on the 24th of September to Impeach GWB.... " (msg:1)

^^ " i'm no longer seeing the main agenda of the rally to be impeachment, persay, ...
.. justice for the vicitms of katrina who suffered due to lack of government response.."

~ 2 more days. . .

~ Wondering why " impeachment " is not now part of the, " main agenda ",
given that i view this action as very much central to, "justice for the victims of katrina"
as an addition, ... to restoration and compensation.

.. No one can now, bring back the lives of dead Americans. But certainly the negligent
and incompetant actions of President Bush, while leading this administration, had far more disastrous direct negative impact on the lives of Americans, and their grieving family members, than anything that Clinton ever did.

Clinton's impeachment was a travesty of American justice.
Comparitively, what negative effect did Clinton's sexual behavior have, directly,
on the lives of Americans ? The actual impeachment process had far greater potential negative effect, for the country and it's citizens, in that it served as an unnecessary persistent distraction, and impediment to goals of administration that were of far greater priority.

In hindsight, one of those priorities might have been increasing security for the
country. And perhaps a greater focus on enemies ... conspiring ... outside of the U.S.

The "witch hunt" that resulted in this President having his focus redirected,
at defending himself on issues that were too personal to have any significant impact
on the lives of Americans served, not the American people, but the political opposition
party who placed their own political goals above the needs American citizens.

President Bush's negligence, and incompetance, failed the victims of Katrina.
As Americans, they were not less entitled, to security and life saving aid,
by their Federal government.

" ... from that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable,
among which are the preservation of life and liberty,.. " ~ Thomas Jefferson

Particularly given the promises of security, supposedly afforded by the ...
Federal Department of Homeland Security, and Federal Emergency Management Agency.

President Bush's gross, and deadly inaction shamed America in the eyes of the world.
Justice could only involve legal action, impeachment, and removal from office.
A consequence that would historicaly reflect the seriousness of his grave failure
as a leader, and as an administrator. Historically, this would send a message that
never again will a preventable tragedy of this magnitude, be tolerated by the
American people.

Anything less, would serve as a profound injustice to those Americans who have died,
as well as their family members. And American justice, would further, be losing all meaning.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 93 (view)
Teacher may be fired for wanting to teach... How sad....
Posted: 9/21/2005 5:59:40 PM

" We NEED more Teachers who can connect with the students and encourage
learning. We need them now more than ever."

~ Well said, toon (... and Garf.)

It takes very special teachers to reach special kids. It truly is a gift !
That .. is worth investing into. There needs to be more of them,
and alot more support, and appreciation for them

<--- (reminiscing .. about a few extraordinary teachers.
........that i was fortunate to have had. )

~ ~

Teaching, ideally is a balance of instruction, discipline, inspiration and encouragement.
Encouragement sometimes goes a long way.

~ " Possunt quia posse videntur."
"They can because they think they can." ~ Virgil
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 35 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/21/2005 5:39:42 PM

shelleyincali - " Thought DG99 was on topic and on target .. "

shelley hon,
... please share your insight and on how Louis Farrakhan relates to this topic ?
... and is, " on target " ?

~ It struck me far more as an attempt to bait, and hijack the thread.
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Msg: 74 (view)
Bush Takes Responsibility for Blunders
Posted: 9/21/2005 5:30:16 PM

"Only the fed has the resources (or is supposed to- whether or not the money that
should have gone to prevent the loss of life in New Orleans was given to Bush's wealthy
tax cut beneficiaries is a different post) to manage and prevent natural disasters from becoming man-made disasters. "

~ ~

" But this "approval rating" thing is meaningless. Even elections are meaningless.
bush "taking responsibility" is meaningless. "
" But it sure as hellfire is not US (the voters)... and whoever IS controlling things
is letting him stay there, despite his incompetence. "
" Goodbye Democracy. Hello Fascism. "

" The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate
the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger
than their democratic State itself. That, in it's essence, is Fascism
- ownership of government by an individual, by a group,
or any controlling private power. "

~ Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945)
- 32nd President of the United States
Message proposing the Monopoly Investigation. (1938)

"The men with the muckrakes are often indespensable to the well-being of society;
but only if they know when to stop raking the muck. "

~ Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
- 26th President of the United States - address April 14, 1906
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Msg: 33 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/21/2005 5:21:56 PM

" Money cannot buy health, shelter, power......nor can it spare your life. "

~ It helps...
It buys, food, water, medicine ... cars, gas, busfare, hotel reservations,
restaurant meals, ... home insurance, health insurance ... education, jobs,
... powerful friends, and corrupt politicians...

" I consider some (^^^^) here to have a Louis Farrakhan conspiracy mentality. Ahem. "

~ What an odd, offensive comment. Reserve it for your Louis Farrakhan thread please.
It is off-topic. And warrants no place here.
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Msg: 28 (view)
Hurricaine Rita,....what next????
Posted: 9/21/2005 3:18:16 PM

koss78a - " well maybe its time to clean up certain parts of society,
maybe having a hurricane or 2 can be considered a good thing ? "

~ ... but thanks for sharing.

jack mack - " arrogant morons "
" Does anyone find it ironic that the mess in New Orleans and LA was with the insiped
help of the Democratic leaning state yet in Texas (Repub stronghold), those folks have already called out the buses, and began evacs this early and may stand up better to
this cat 5 storm? ... Coincidence? Hhmmmmm "

~ Coincidence ?
Nah, ... might have a lil to do with the world recently watching the shame of,
the poor, the elderly, children, and disabled Americans recently suffering and dying,
in the Wealthiest and most Powerful country in the world.

" Texas (Repub stronghold) " ... Florida (Repub stronghold).
Things that make you go ... hmmmm. ..

~ Safety and strength to all those in the path of this storm.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 86 (view)
Teacher may be fired for wanting to teach... How sad....
Posted: 9/20/2005 8:08:42 PM
~ s'ok sexyandbrainy, typing can be a lil vague. .. no intonation or facial expression.

" Good to see the Bull again. "

~ yeah, even though he and i Always disagree.
It's like seeing that cousin that you're always butting heads with. ...

(... i ... uhmm ... might be spending waaaaay too much time on PoF.) ~

" We never had metal detectors in our school.
The teacher did not have to fear the students. Times are different now. "

~ From what i've come to understand, there needs to be alot more investment
in the public schools. More teachers, better salaries, more resources and security.
This is investment into future citizens, workers, voters...
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Msg: 83 (view)
Teacher may be fired for wanting to teach... How sad....
Posted: 9/20/2005 7:50:57 PM
~ No, ... not attacking you. ... it was meant like ,, lola ?
... i've just felt that, from the first post, about --> 98% criminals listen to rap...etc.
blah, blah, blah. ... Sorry if you thought i meant that.

No question... sexy and brainy.

hey ! bulldog ! ... welcome back. .... wondered where you went.
Joined: 7/1/2005
Msg: 78 (view)
Teacher may be fired for wanting to teach... How sad....
Posted: 9/20/2005 7:35:50 PM
~ " starting " ? ... sexyandbrainy ?

(But thanks for asking what's been on my mind.) ~
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