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 Author Thread: Hijabs, Burqas and Niqabs - is it fashion or religion?
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Hijabs, Burqas and Niqabs - is it fashion or religion?
Posted: 6/9/2009 9:28:19 PM
the Hijab is actually something inherited from Christian Byzantium. When the Islamic faith first spread, one of the key factors of it was a reaction against the local tribal conflicts that plagued the Arabian peninsula...

Adopting certain cultural aspects of a civilization considered to be far more progressive and enlightened was a natural part of this...and that's where the traditional "Islamic" head covering comes from - eastern Christianity.

as for the Burqa, that's something different entirely, it comes from Pashtun tribal culture in Afghanistan and is not Islamic in origin, however some fundamentalist Islam has embraced it because it's seen to be in compliance with Purdah - a HINDI word meaning the segregation of the sexes - which Islamic scholars have agreed with over the ages, note that again, Eastern Christianity, a huge influence on Islam, emphasized this principle as well.
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 63 (view)
 
Japanese Music
Posted: 6/6/2009 3:42:20 AM

In addition, the first person to mention they love the musical stylings of Gackt gets an irritated stare and subsequent sarcastic eye roll from me.


his stuff since has been up and down in quality, often down - but his first album Mars really is genuine brilliance - with everything from folk to Ricky Martin ripoffs to creepy circus music on it, add a touch of metal, some operatic overtones, a few licks that sound like they were collected out of U2's recycling bin, and a bunch of strings and piano and you've got yourself a very messy masterpiece.
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 62 (view)
 
Japanese Music
Posted: 6/6/2009 3:35:20 AM
my favorite band in the universe (and the source of my nickname) is Luna Sea.

LS and X Japan have been my favorite bands for about 13-14 years now.

other great Japanese music includes (this list is a little skewed towards older stuff, i haven't been keeping up too diligently as of late with Japanese music, although I do like some newer stuff as well)

hide (to this day PSYENCE by hide is the greatest album I have ever heard in my life, hands down)
GLAY (in particular their 90s stuff)
kuroyume
Dir en grey (probably the most popular japanese band in the west these days, and for good reason...INCREDIBLE at times - but they ripped off kuroyume)
L'Arc-en-Ciel (they're megastars now in Asia, but it's their first 3 albums that really matter...before they went to a more mainstream sound - not that their newer stuff is bad)
Malice Mizer
Gackt
Shiina Ringo
Polysics
Buck-Tick
Loudness
Pierrot (they can be hit or miss but when they were on they were ON)
globe (again, hit or miss...they're more jpop than jrock, with heavy electronic dance influence...but often they're musically incredible especially from about 1997-99 when it truly seemed they could do no wrong - the song anytime smokin cigarette is the greatest pop song you've never heard)
Versailles
Kagrra,
cali=gari (WEIRD)
Ayumi Hamasaki (the reigning queen of jpop, and for good reason. not as popular as she used to be, but nobody's reached the level to dethrone her yet. a decent to good singer at best, but her music has awesome melody to it, mixed with a lot of other elements, everything from trance to metal in there at times...with a very distinctive sound and absolutely INCREDIBLE production values)
Namie Amuro (the former queen of jpop - produced by Tetsuya Komuro aka TK in her early, most popular days...TK is also the brains behind globe. there was a time when TK produced music dominated the charts almost completely...that time passed, she left TK, but some of her new stuff is pretty good)
SEX-ANDROID (an indie band that almost nobody inside or outside of Japan has ever heard of, but just awesome...they're like visual-kei gone punk)

and lots more.
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
a Buddhist critique of the existence of God
Posted: 6/5/2009 7:50:14 PM

"This is a misunderstanding of Buddhism. Buddism as taught by Siddhartha Gautama is not a religion in that it does not even consider the existence of God at all. It is simply a philosophy and practical physical, mental and spiritual discipline. Belief in a God is not a factor."


you're right in that 'Buddhism' (a western word, to be sure) doesn't really care either way. it's a practice, something to DO, not something to believe in or worship. i'm just interpreting it to see if the concept of a god (at least in the Abrahamic religious sense) is compatible with certain core principles of Buddhism, and in my opinion it isn't compatible. i'm not alone in this interpretation...and those who would disagree aren't alone either as this thread has shown. healthy debate about these things is good - unthinking obedience is not...

The author (and former Zen monk) Stephen Batchelor takes 'Buddhism' into something he calls 'deep agnosticism' - spelled out very clearly in his book "Buddhism Without Beliefs" which is an excellent read. i draw more atheist conclusions, personally, as have some others...i'm beginning to wonder if Batchelor has started to as well, because his upcoming book is provisionally titled "Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist"
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Ringo vs John and other writers of songs
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:17:54 AM

Ringo is credited with writing exactly two of the Beatles' many songs, those being Don't Pass Me By and Octopus's Garden.


Don't forget "Flying" which is credited to all 4 :)
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
a Buddhist critique of the existence of God
Posted: 6/5/2009 12:44:32 AM

Another “principle” of Buddhism is living a life based on logic and reason, and not superstition; and what one considers “reasonable” is a personal choice.
I do not consider the premise of an almighty, omniscient “god” to whom I must subjugate myself as “reasonable”.
Conversely, there are no “devils” either; other than the ones I might create for myself.


*applause*

"Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing, nor upon tradition, nor upon rumor, nor upon what is in a scripture; nor upon surmise, nor upon an axiom, nor upon specious reasoning, nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over; nor upon another's seeming ability; nor upon the consideration, 'The monk is our teacher.' Kalamas, when you yourselves know: 'These things are good; these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,' enter on and abide in them." - The Buddha's teachings to the Kalamas (Kalama Sutta)
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 1681 (view)
 
Epik High - Lesson One
Posted: 6/4/2009 8:39:26 PM
definitely lyrics I love...and among my favorites.

Yeah, people, attention
Education, knowledge
Huh, yeah, I got something to say to my teachers
Genius is not the answer to all questions
It's the question to all answers

Do we learn math to add the dead's sum?
Subtract the weak ones, count cash for great ones?
Yo, we multiply but divide the nation...
Break down like fractions, send our sons away to die...
Do we learn science in defiance of faith?
To make alliance with fakes for an appliance's sake?
We ask for the real to make artificial intelligence to make smarter kills of others' presidents...

Why do we learn history? To fix stories for the guilty...
Make angels look filthy and the devils look milky...
If the victor writes the books then what have we won?
Are we battleships of authorship for rich men's guns?

Do we learn to read to receive the lies,
to deceive the eyes from seeing between the lines?
Yo, we use words to bring forth sticks and stones,
to sing songs of hate that fill the streets with bones.

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah

Make me vision for better livin'

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah
Make me vision
(I'm the truth)

Is a day job more than self-slavery?
When we're locked watching the clock impatiently?
We sweat for the dollar bills, the checks, and the credit cards...
but the dollar kills, breaks the necks of our inner hearts...

If the police are role models for the righteous,
why does justice depend on guns and nightsticks?
Mr. officer, don't punish me, with brutality...
The streets got me singing Marvin Gaye off-key...

Why do we need church to get to heaven's gates?
Can holy water quench the thirst of those whose fates
Started in the wrong place with the wrong face?
Can the poor and the hungry survive solely on grace?
Can this rap game ever bring changes?
When MCs would rather floss a cross than be saviors?
Will I last in this game, be blasted with shame
Will I stand for my name and never blaspheme for fame?

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah

Make me vision for better livin'

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah
Make me vision
(I'm the truth)
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 1680 (view)
 
Epik High - Lesson One
Posted: 6/4/2009 8:34:22 PM
definitely lyrics I love...and among my favorites.

Yeah, people, attention
Education, knowledge
Huh, yeah, I got something to say to my teachers
Genius is not the answer to all questions
It's the question to all answers

Do we learn math to add the dead's sum?
Subtract the weak ones, count cash for great ones?
Yo, we multiply but divide the nation...
Break down like fractions, send our sons away to die...
Do we learn science in defiance of faith?
To make alliance with fakes for an appliance's sake?
We ask for the real to make artificial intelligence to make smarter kills of others' presidents...

Why do we learn history? To fix stories for the guilty...
Make angels look filthy and the devils look milky...
If the victor writes the books then what have we won?
Are we battleships of authorship for rich men's guns?

Do we learn to read to receive the lies,
to deceive the eyes from seeing between the lines?
Yo, we use words to bring forth sticks and stones,
to sing songs of hate that fill the streets with bones.

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah

Make me vision for better livin'

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah
Make me vision
(I'm the truth)

Is a day job more than self-slavery?
When we're locked watching the clock impatiently?
We sweat for the dollar bills, the checks, and the credit cards...
but the dollar kills, breaks the necks of our inner hearts...

If the police are role models for the righteous,
why does justice depend on guns and nightsticks?
Mr. officer, don't punish me, with brutality...
The streets got me singing Marvin Gaye off-key...

Why do we need church to get to heaven's gates?
Can holy water quench the thirst of those whose fates
Started in the wrong place with the wrong face?
Can the poor and the hungry survive solely on grace?
Can this rap game ever bring changes?
When MCs would rather floss a cross than be saviors?
Will I last in this game, be blasted with shame
Will I stand for my name and never blaspheme for fame?

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah

Make me vision for better livin'

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah
Make me vision
(I'm the truth)
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 1679 (view)
 
Epik High - Lesson One (Tablo's Word)
Posted: 6/4/2009 8:33:17 PM
definitely lyrics I love...and among my favorites.

Yeah, people, attention
Education, knowledge
Huh, yeah, I got something to say to my teachers
Genius is not the answer to all questions
It's the question to all answers

Do we learn math to add the dead's sum?
Subtract the weak ones, count cash for great ones?
Yo, we multiply but divide the nation...
Break down like fractions, send our sons away to die...
Do we learn science in defiance of faith?
To make alliance with fakes for an appliance's sake?
We ask for the real to make artificial intelligence to make smarter kills of others' presidents...

Why do we learn history? To fix stories for the guilty...
Make angels look filthy and the devils look milky...
If the victor writes the books then what have we won?
Are we battleships of authorship for rich men's guns?

Do we learn to read to receive the lies,
to deceive the eyes from seeing between the lines?
Yo, we use words to bring forth sticks and stones,
to sing songs of hate that fill the streets with bones.

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah

Make me vision for better livin'

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah
Make me vision
(I'm the truth)

Is a day job more than self-slavery?
When we're locked watching the clock impatiently?
We sweat for the dollar bills, the checks, and the credit cards...
but the dollar kills, breaks the necks of our inner hearts...

If the police are role models for the righteous,
why does justice depend on guns and nightsticks?
Mr. officer, don't punish me, with brutality...
The streets got me singing Marvin Gaye off-key...

Why do we need church to get to heaven's gates?
Can holy water quench the thirst of those whose fates
Started in the wrong place with the wrong face?
Can the poor and the hungry survive solely on grace?
Can this rap game ever bring changes?
When MCs would rather floss a cross than be saviors?
Will I last in this game, be blasted with shame
Will I stand for my name and never blaspheme for fame?

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah

Make me vision for better livin'

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah
Make me vision
(I'm the truth)
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 1678 (view)
 
Your Favorite Music Lyrics
Posted: 6/4/2009 8:32:46 PM
definitely lyrics I love...and among my favorites.

Yeah, people, attention
Education, knowledge
Huh, yeah, I got something to say to my teachers
Genius is not the answer to all questions
It's the question to all answers

Do we learn math to add the dead's sum?
Subtract the weak ones, count cash for great ones?
Yo, we multiply but divide the nation...
Break down like fractions, send our sons away to die...
Do we learn science in defiance of faith?
To make alliance with fakes for an appliance's sake?
We ask for the real to make artificial intelligence to make smarter kills of others' presidents...

Why do we learn history? To fix stories for the guilty...
Make angels look filthy and the devils look milky...
If the victor writes the books then what have we won?
Are we battleships of authorship for rich men's guns?

Do we learn to read to receive the lies,
to deceive the eyes from seeing between the lines?
Yo, we use words to bring forth sticks and stones,
to sing songs of hate that fill the streets with bones.

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah

Make me vision for better livin'

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah
Make me vision
(I'm the truth)

Is a day job more than self-slavery?
When we're locked watching the clock impatiently?
We sweat for the dollar bills, the checks, and the credit cards...
but the dollar kills, breaks the necks of our inner hearts...

If the police are role models for the righteous,
why does justice depend on guns and nightsticks?
Mr. officer, don't punish me, with brutality...
The streets got me singing Marvin Gaye off-key...

Why do we need church to get to heaven's gates?
Can holy water quench the thirst of those whose fates
Started in the wrong place with the wrong face?
Can the poor and the hungry survive solely on grace?
Can this rap game ever bring changes?
When MCs would rather floss a cross than be saviors?
Will I last in this game, be blasted with shame
Will I stand for my name and never blaspheme for fame?

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah

Make me vision for better livin'

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah
Make me vision
(I'm the truth)
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 1677 (view)
 
Epik High - Lesson One (Tablo's Word)
Posted: 6/4/2009 8:32:10 PM
definitely lyrics I love...and among my favorites.

Yeah, people, attention
Education, knowledge
Huh, yeah, I got something to say to my teachers
Genius is not the answer to all questions
It's the question to all answers

Do we learn math to add the dead's sum?
Subtract the weak ones, count cash for great ones?
Yo, we multiply but divide the nation...
Break down like fractions, send our sons away to die...
Do we learn science in defiance of faith?
To make alliance with fakes for an appliance's sake?
We ask for the real to make artificial intelligence to make smarter kills of others' presidents...

Why do we learn history? To fix stories for the guilty...
Make angels look filthy and the devils look milky...
If the victor writes the books then what have we won?
Are we battleships of authorship for rich men's guns?

Do we learn to read to receive the lies,
to deceive the eyes from seeing between the lines?
Yo, we use words to bring forth sticks and stones,
to sing songs of hate that fill the streets with bones.

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah

Make me vision for better livin'

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah
Make me vision
(I'm the truth)

Is a day job more than self-slavery?
When we're locked watching the clock impatiently?
We sweat for the dollar bills, the checks, and the credit cards...
but the dollar kills, breaks the necks of our inner hearts...

If the police are role models for the righteous,
why does justice depend on guns and nightsticks?
Mr. officer, don't punish me, with brutality...
The streets got me singing Marvin Gaye off-key...

Why do we need church to get to heaven's gates?
Can holy water quench the thirst of those whose fates
Started in the wrong place with the wrong face?
Can the poor and the hungry survive solely on grace?
Can this rap game ever bring changes?
When MCs would rather floss a cross than be saviors?
Will I last in this game, be blasted with shame
Will I stand for my name and never blaspheme for fame?

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah

Make me vision for better livin'

Unseen or heard,
a king with words
Tablo, lyrical assassin

y-y-yeah yeah
Make me vision
(I'm the truth)
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 5 (view)
 
a Buddhist critique of the existence of God
Posted: 6/4/2009 6:51:20 PM

Well, that contradicts the laws of science, doesn't it? Hmmm...not so sure about that one.

Does it contradict the idea of G-d? Well, if G-d just exists, and has no effect on the world, then G-d never changes. But, if G-d created the universe, and the Earth, and keeps an eye on us, then G-d has done things. So, G-d has changed his remembrance of events. That's a change. So I would conclude that G-d DOES change, but is alway around. So he does keep the rule of annica, by changing without ending.


I'm going to respond here as regards annica (impermanence) - i don't have time to respond much to the other two objections, but I shall as soon as I can.

I will just quickly say that as far as the notion of anatta or nonself is concerned, your definition isn't wrong - it's just that i'm folding this into a broader buddhist principle - that of dependent origination. the talk about people's personalities being composed of aggregates, etc is really just an application of this principle of dependent origination to our psychological state. it's the traditional way of looking at it, but it does seem a bit limited to speak of inanimate objects in terms of their psychological states - rather it makes a lot more sense to just extend this principle of nonself generally as it pertains to the notion of all things being part of an ever changing matrix of conditions through dependent origination, being both causes and effects, and therefore containing no inherent self. but more on that later, back to the annica (impermanence) talk.

so let's see, as far as the biblical God is concerned, if one actually believes the Bible (of course it's possible to postulate other Gods with other characteristics different from these) God is unchanging. I should have been clearer, I meant a refutation of God (or G-d if you prefer) in the Judeo-Christian definition of the term.

Malachi 3:6 - "I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed."

Hebrews 13:8 - "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

James 1:17 - "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."

Ecclesiastes 3:14 - "I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that men will revere him."

according to these, God and his works are permanent and unchanging. this is directly in conflict with the principle of annica.

as far as it refuting scientific understanding, how? what in the scientifically known universe is not subject to evolution, entropy, decay, death, dissolution, or change in some other form? according to the laws of thermodynamics, energy cannot be created or destroyed. but it CAN be converted into other forms, it CAN be dispersed through the tendency towards entropy, etc. in fact i think if you investigate it, it is quite compatible with scientific understanding, unlike a LORD who does not change, or a Jesus Christ who is the same yesterday, today and forever.
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 4 (view)
 
a Buddhist critique of the existence of God
Posted: 6/4/2009 6:12:21 PM
yes, a buddhist could be any of these things - i'm just saying that if the core elements of it are taken to their logical conclusion one can form very atheist conclusions with them. the buddhist canon has nothing to say about the existence of a creator god, however it does comment on the psychological impact of becoming attached to such a creator god, regardless of its existence or non existence.

as for it not changing their buddhism, that's quite incorrect - to suggest that there is a static, unchanging thing called buddhism is actually in violation of core buddhist beliefs - nothing is unchanging, as impermanence is a characteristic shared by all things.

there's an old buddhist saying that the finger that points to the moon is not the moon - that no matter what is written, no matter what someone's teachings say they're no substitute for actually exploring and finding things yourself...

actually, there are lots of buddhists who completely reject the notion of being reborn after death, because it suggests that there is something like a soul or essential nature of people (atman) when one of the key teachings of the buddha which broke with the brahmanic traditions of his time was the idea that there was no eternal soul (anatman)

it's buddhism's historical crosspolination with bramanic/hindu religion that brings all of these metaphysical ideas in there. the core teachings of buddhism have nothing to do with these - rather they're about the cessation of suffering through the elimination of attachment. metaphysical ideas are not necessary. according to the pali canon, when the buddha was asked about the existence of gods, the nature of the universe, etc, he responded that asking such questions was a bit like being shot with a poisoned arrow and refusing treatment until knowing who shot it, who made the poison, etc.
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 188 (view)
 
UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/4/2009 3:52:32 PM
you're tremendously misinformed about this match. Ali vs Inoki was originally supposed to be a worked fight - meaning that the end was supposed to be predetermined. Part of New Japan's promotional philosophy from its outset was that Pro Wrestling was the "King of Sports" ie the ultimate combat style, superior to boxing, Judo, karate, etc.

Inoki, the founder of the company, brought in various stars from other fighting disciplines to perform worked matches in which they would lose to him. Ali was supposed to be no different - and he was going to get paid millions to 'do the job' and lose to Inoki just like others had.

At the last minute, however, the Ali camp backed out - in an attempt to salvage the match, it was to be a mixed martial arts match - winner by knockout, decision or submission.

Ali's camp went to watch Inoki at a sparring session, and after seeing what he could do, imposed a series of ridiculous restrictions on Inoki, including - no takedowns or throws (all grappling would have to be done only if Ali willingly went to the mat with Inoki) no punching or kicking above the waist, and only a minute on the ground at a time if the fight ended up there.

Inoki fought a very smart fight under these rules. "Classy" Freddie Blassie, wrestling legend, who was in Ali's corner as part of this interpromotional matchup, had to repeatedly tell Ali to not get on the ground with Inoki (he wanted to, but Blassie knew that he'd twist Ali into a pretzel, easily)

As for Inoki's capabilities as a submission or 'catch' wrestler? He was trained in the art by Karl Gotch and Lou Thesz, two of the best to ever live - and the stories about him actually tapping out UFC champion Dan Severn basically at will, while in his mid 50s - in a private sparring session witnessed by wrestling/MMA journalist Dave Meltzer are legendary. Apparently he also had a very long sparring session with current UFC heavyweight champ Brock Lesnar who was just coming out of his top notch amateur career and was being scouted by NJPW (this is pre WWE/pre UFC) in which Brock couldn't get the upper hand on a nearly 60 year old Inoki.

as for MMA and boxing? If such a farce were to happen (and it would be a farce) my money would be on Fedor Emelianenko to beat the top 10 heavyweight boxers IN THE SAME NIGHT if it were under MMA rules.

your comments about anyone being able to apply a chokehold are completely absurd. I suggest you watch some high level Judo or Brazilian Jiujitsu competition sometime. ADCC (Abu Dhabi Combat Club) World submission grappling championship would also be a good place to start. Go watch some Marcelo Garcia matches and learn something.
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
 
a Buddhist critique of the existence of God
Posted: 6/4/2009 3:19:47 PM
just thought i'd post these, because they're a sort of preemptive atheism - instead of basing one's atheism upon simple lack of evidence (although there's nothing wrong with doing that) it's a way of basing one's atheism off of demonstrating that the very concept of God is completely incompatible with the nature of all things in existence.

as for the three marks themselves, would anyone care to argue those?
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
a Buddhist critique of the existence of God
Posted: 6/4/2009 9:59:54 AM
One of the central ideas of Buddhism is the notion of the Three Marks of Existence. All things in existence, whether alive or not, contain 3 characteristics:

the first is annica or impermanence - nothing exists that is not subject to revision, evolution, entropy, decay, death, destruction, dissolution, fading away, burning out, etc. this includes us, and our desires.

the second is dukkha, which is usually translated as suffering - but this word is probably too strong. Dissatisfactoriness, unreliability, I believe these are better words in many ways. the point of this second mark of existence is, basically, nothing exists that is capable of bringing lasting satisfaction to sentient beings.

thirdly, anatta - this one's the hardest one to get, i think. it's usually translated as 'nonself' but i think that's a bit misleading for someone to get because it implies just denying the self in a personal sort of way. a good way to understand it is to think of no things or conditions as having an intrinsic self that are not dependent on other things or conditions for their existence. in other words, everything is a cause of something, and nothing is an uncaused cause, basically. rather than beings or objects or even our thoughts having intrinsic selves that can be easily separated from the rest of reality, there's an almost incomprehensibly complex web or matrix of conditions that led to their existence in a particular time and place.

God is said to be permanent, capable of satisfying our needs, and an uncaused cause. So these three characteristics of everything in existence, if they're true (and I strongly suspect they are) are a direct refutation of the existence of God.
 LunaSlave
Joined: 8/7/2005
Msg: 62 (view)
 
Towards an Agnostic Faith
Posted: 6/4/2009 9:40:48 AM
I'd like to recommend the following book to you:

Buddhism Without Beliefs by Stephen Batchelor

excellent book, it's basically about taking the philosophical core of Buddhism as something to DO (in terms of mindfulness practice/meditation) and not simply something to believe - while throwing out the doubtful metaphysical aspects that are holdovers from Buddhism's age and crosspolination with other religions, like Hinduism.

Batchelor actually suggests using the term 'dharma practice' instead of Buddhism to differentiate this approach...he also calls it agnostic Buddhism. it's a very very interesting book, and I recommend it highly. personally i draw very ATHEIST conclusions from the central ideas of Buddhism, and I think Batchelor might be moving in that direction as well - last I heard he was working on a book entitled "Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist" which I can't wait to read :)
 
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