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 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 160 (view)
 
pof is just a waste of time
Posted: 2/10/2016 9:09:23 PM
You guys should read my posts... click on my history....they spell out the sad truth about online dating for guys.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 506 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 2/10/2016 9:41:49 AM
I must apologize to crook catcher- I was a bit too harsh.

I still stand by the research and other psychological findings in regards to these issues, but sometimes you just have to agree to disagree.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 504 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 2/10/2016 12:19:20 AM
You have to love jellybean and sunshine girl's immature responses. The adult entertainment industry is totally a relevant topic related to this discussion. Porn may not be "real", but it gives real insight into preferences, sexuality, and human behavior. No different than romance novels, rom-coms, and the popularity of things like the "50 shades" and "twilight" series. All these types of things provide windows into people's minds. If you don't believe me just read some material written by psychologists who specialize in human sexuality. As far as the fat stripper thing, Vegas even has BBW stripper reviews. Actually, do a web search for "BBW" and see what comes up. As for the women that don't like guys who watch porn, well at least you can be a lesbian because I hate to break it to you but almost all guys indulge in porn on occasion. The fact that you don't already know this shows me just how clueless some of you people are.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 495 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 2/9/2016 1:53:29 AM
Oh No,,,..it's crooked catcher again. You must have found another white horse to ride in on. What happened to your last one? Well, about the strip clubs, this has been the trend for awhile now. You see, the clubs that have women of various sizes from skinny to fat and everywhere in between get more guys in them versus the ones with just the skinny gals with the fake boobs. Why? because guys have many varying tastes when it comes to women. Strip clubs know this, the porn industry knows this,...I guess you did not get the memo. I have had a few stripper friends in the past and sometimes they would even complain about the "fat" girls making more money than them. As far as the studies and surveys. They are far more based in facts than the stuff you just simply pull from your a**. Why do you not agree with the studies? because they don't fit your "opinions". And I don't champion for anyone as much as you do for your fellow woman. You are just a kiss a** fake, why don't you just go away like you did last time.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 493 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 2/8/2016 11:51:28 PM
I have to address one of 6jellybeans' posts. In her one post she stated two common lies that many women tell.

The first lie is the old "well these guys are decent but they are just not masculine or manly enough". The problem with this one is these women will not usually give the average guy a chance to even prove or demonstrate his masculinity. They are going after the guys who carry their manliness on their chest for all to see...the "players". The problem with these guys is that they are not looking for the one, they are looking for the many.

The second is the whole "men are more visually picky and less forgiving than women" bullsh*t. This is one of the biggest lies ever told. Like I have posted before, OKC did a study a few years back and they found that women identified 80% of the men they saw in profiles as being unattractive. The men rated the women close to 50/50. The pornography industry also proves this wrong. Porn geared toward heterosexual men is divided into tons of different categories ranging from thin girls to obese, small boobs to huge, black to white, frail to muscular, submissive to dominant, and any other difference you can imagine and each category brings in millions of dollars. I went to a fancy strip club the other night and it had all kinds of girls of various sizes, why? because men's tastes in women are not as shallow as women would like to think.

So,... lets start being honest and cut the bull...
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 31 (view)
 
How to find Success on POF?
Posted: 2/8/2016 9:02:52 AM
That is why chromis only picked one age. He was not interested in pointing out the truth, he just wanted to discredit my statement. The real issue is not your age but rather all the guys withing your age range you have to compete with.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Is there anything too off putting about me?
Posted: 2/8/2016 8:51:18 AM
OP, OLD is a joke, especially for guys in your age bracket. Hit the pavement, not the keys on your key board..
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 29 (view)
 
How to find Success on POF?
Posted: 2/7/2016 11:37:49 PM
Well chromis- In my area if you take the age range of 35 to 45 the guys outnumber the girls beyond 2-1. Not as bad as 5-1 but still a big problem. The numbers have to be close to 50/50 for it to even have a chance of being normal. In a 2-1 scenario even if every girl picked a guy from the site and paired off with him, that would still leave 50% of the guys empty handed and that is the best case scenario. So.... a 50% chance is the best you can hope for. To address the statement by Coma about the guys only messaging the top 20% of women, that is false. There is no top 20% for guys, studies have shown that men rate women about 50/50 when looking at profiles and appearances. The whole only being interested in the top 20% is the tendency of the females when using OLD. Again, look at the studies....
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 23 (view)
 
How to find Success on POF?
Posted: 2/4/2016 12:04:54 AM
Comma, I see you are from Ontario. One of the biggest points you are failing to recognize is location. Some areas are absolutely terrible for OLD. Some ratios in certain areas are like 5 to 1 guys versus girls or worse. There is certainly difference in countries as well. I have been to Canada many times over the years and it has a different feel than the USA when it comes to women. Women in Canada are a lot less guarded than American women. America may be the land of the free but it is still the home of the old fashion in many ways. I will always go back to the OK-C study in which the ladies that were interviewed and studied declared that 80% of the guys on the site were unattractive and the guys rated the women close to 50/50. That my friend is a huge eye opener. Guys having poor success on here runs way deeper than just some below average profiles and some pictures. It has a lot to do with the majority of the women only focusing on that top 20% of guys.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 21 (view)
 
How to find Success on POF?
Posted: 2/3/2016 10:25:03 PM
In response to Comma and Gorilla. The fact that a guy has to be "good at it" in order to have success with OLD just shows the true colors of OLD unfortunately. The fact that a guy has to prefect so many things just to get a sliver of a chance is ridiculous. Now I can understand sending out messages that include info related to the lady's profile, I get that. Do you realize that many guys already do this and it does not make a difference because most of the messages go unread anyway. And, I have dated two women I met using OLD, so I have had some success but that success did not cloud my judgment. The two ladies I dated were also the only two who agreed to meet. Once I get them face to face I almost always seal the deal. The problem is most of the women are not willing to meet, they are too busy trying to pick out their next perfect boyfriend before the first date even takes place. Just one more big problem with OLD.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 13 (view)
 
How to find Success on POF?
Posted: 2/2/2016 12:17:29 AM
And who is going to teach this guy or the others who come on here with the same story? OLD is a joke. That's why this place is not loaded with posts from guys saying "wow, I went to the profile review forum and now I am getting tons of dates." He should be listening to someone who is smart, not delusional. Besides, I don't buy the stories of the white knights on here who claim to have success, it is always the same small group year after year trying to push aside the facts and the obvious in favor of there "personal success stories". I feel most of you are just women with male profiles. This guy (OP) needs to get out and meet real women, not these "profiles" that mean absolutely nothing and see him as absolutely nothing in return. The online advice for guys is nothing more than the PUA bullsh*t of the OLD world.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 10 (view)
 
How to find Success on POF?
Posted: 2/1/2016 10:52:25 PM
Yes marrakach7, you are totally right on the money. OP, OLD does not work well for a lot of guys. You can click on my history and see posts where I spell out the reasons and list studies that back it up. The OLD fans will always try to blame it on pictures and profiles but many of these ladies get so many messages that they discard most and are probably not even looking at your profile or care about you messages.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 462 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 1/28/2016 11:09:20 PM
Karma- You say that most women don't want bad boys. Wrong...you may not like them but a lot of women do...even if they won't admit to it. You also talk about these "bad boys" who pretend to be nice to get the women...well these are called "players" . The player does not act like a nice guy, he acts like a player and often the women are too stupid to know the difference. They are swooned by the idea of an edgy slick talking guy who is actually nice..or so they think. If they were more receptive to the real "nice guys" they would be alright.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 169 (view)
 
Has anyone had success on here?
Posted: 1/28/2016 10:56:40 PM
Well swampy- A lot of guys have this problem with OLD. Too many above average guys have found that OLD is a great way to date multiple women and play them and there is already a shortage of women online as it is.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 458 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 1/25/2016 8:27:38 PM
Studies have shown that traits women find exciting and sexy may not be conducive to loyalty and honesty. It may also have something to do with a point that I have made many times on here. The guy that has opportunities to date many women and who is admired a lot will not see the benefit of settling down. There is a book out called "men on strike" (written by a woman BTW) that points out why more and more men are walking away from marriage and monogamous relationships because they don't see the benefit in them anymore. Women don't want to settle but many of the men they want don't want to settle down. People now are only as loyal as their options allow them to be.

Another Truth By: Patchjoker--
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 568 (view)
 
Why don't tall men choose to date tall women?
Posted: 1/22/2016 9:21:48 AM
I once dated a girl that was a bit taller than me and it was fine. When she wore heels she looked much taller and I did not care. I am sure that some guys would not like a woman taller than them but usually the man being shorter is a bigger problem with the girls. Multiple studies on human sexual preferences claim that most women want a guy who is taller than them because it fills a "protector" role reinforced by the need to perpetuate stronger genes.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 91 (view)
 
Why is it so hard to meet someone?
Posted: 1/19/2016 9:24:20 PM
bamagirl

-First off, I never said that I don't like confident women. All I said was that some of what the OP posted did not represent confidence. This woman keeps friends around that make fun of her for being smart. Maybe she has the same taste in men as she does friends and that is one of the problems. I have many confident female friends and have dated my share of confident women.

-Second, This whole thing about most guys not liking confident women is, again, another load of BS. Right now there are probably thousands of corporate male business types this exact second tied up in some dungeon getting their asses beat my an S&M girl because they crave a woman who is in control. Also, this is just another anti-male stance. The men are always the wimps, losers, jerks, players,...and now they are also afraid of women being confident.

-Third, some of you people always fall for the traps. When a guy comes on here and says women don't like them because they are nice. Many attack the guy and say that he is probably not a real nice guy or that nice guys are not really nice. When the same treatment is aimed at confident women, some people start losing their minds.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Some views but not replies
Posted: 1/15/2016 11:10:47 PM
OLD sucks...hit the streets to find women, not the keys to a keyboard.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Why is it so hard to meet someone?
Posted: 1/14/2016 11:24:20 PM
Bamagirl- Your whole "guys don't like you because you are a strong woman" argument is a bunch of crap. First off whirbelle stated that she hangs out with friends who she allows to make fun of her and talk down to her because she likes art and is cultured. That does not sound strong to me, if anything her posts display a lack of confidence. If you don't believe me, read through them again. Second, your post is just another "men are not worthy of us" kind of rant. The poor women are labeled a bit*h when they are confident, I disagree, and does the word "bit*h" even have a negative meaning anymore. There is even a song where a woman proudly proclaims herself as a "bit*h". There is a country song where a women talks about smashing up her man's truck because he cheated.....and have you watched reality TV...bit*h is the hottest trend going.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 30 (view)
 
Why is it so hard to meet someone?
Posted: 1/13/2016 11:51:45 PM
I'm sorry whirlbelle but I'm not totally buying this. This is like another thread recently where an attractive lady said she sent out 150 messages to men on POF and got zero responses. Highly unlikely. I live near Chicago and there are thousands of artsy hipsters walking around everywhere. Many of the art galleries even have singles events. You are very attractive and smart and I am sure you get attention from guys who are not jerks. I am wondering if you are attracted to the jerks. I also feel this is a backhanded stab at guys. To me, what you are saying is that the guys who approach you are either players or not attractive enough for you. There is a U-Tube lady named Am* You*g who talks about guys being either bananas or avocados,....please tell me you are smarter than her. You will see if you watch her videos.....don't make me come to Chicago and take you out on a date..
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 72 (view)
 
am I the only one or....
Posted: 1/13/2016 12:02:35 AM
Ladyinwonderland, you must be standing too close to the big worm smoking the hookah. You say that when men don't rate high enough on the scale that is a "VERY GOOD REASON" to write them off. Well.. it all depends on how honest and realistic the scale is. A lot of women who use OLD overrate their market value and really,...how can you rate a person without even meeting them? Now, I can see if a guy sends perverted messages or has an obviously strange profile, or even has no pictures, but a lot of guys are not given the chance due to superficial reasons that have nothing to do with character. I have said it a million times on these forums. "The average gal thinks that she should not have to settle for just the average guy, but the above average guy is probably not going to settle for just one gal.." To simplify it for you, that means the men who represent the top 20% and are the guys the women are going after are also the same guys who f*ck them and leave them so the ladies can come back on these forum and claim how "nice guys" are really just jerks.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 60 (view)
 
am I the only one or....
Posted: 1/12/2016 10:39:30 AM
I think mailman in being funny... and he is right, guys would love to have the problem of getting messages from too many women. The reasons women are not happy with OLD is because they just don't like the guys available online and the venue is not good for guys trying to sell themselves. I will go back to the OKC study...the women they interviewed stated that 80% of the males on their site were undesirable, now add in the fact that in most age groups and areas the guys outnumber the ladies on a site about 2-1 (I'm talking about only active profiles). If the ladies are only interested in the top 20% and they also have a larger pool to pick from, that spells disaster for the average guy. The funny thing is when people argue against theses numbers but their statements actually fall in line with the numbers. How may times has a white knight or a pro OLD female attacked a guy for complaining about having no success with OLD. They will often use the argument that it is due to most of the guys being wimps, losers, and beta males like the complainer and not the "real gentleman" and other bull sh*t like that. Many women who post here make it clear they don't like most of the men online but they will never admit to the fact that a lot of guys are written off for no good reason just because they don't rate high enough on their scale.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 52 (view)
 
am I the only one or....
Posted: 1/12/2016 8:19:50 AM
It is true that some people shoot way to high with OLD but the average woman still gets attention online. Huffington Post did an article on a dating site study a few years back. The study created 5 female and 5 male profiles with each one having the same written portions. The only difference were the pictures. They had a bunch of people rate pictures and from the ratings the study picked one female picture as highly attractive, one as attractive, two as basically average, down to the last being unattractive, then they did the same for the males. The study found that the highly attractive and the attractive females did get a ton of messages compared to the others but all of the female profiles got at least some messages. For the guys, only the top two got any messages, the average on down got none and the average girls got more messages that the top two males if my memory is correct. Just another eye opener related to initial messaging.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 134 (view)
 
Women too picky
Posted: 1/7/2016 10:58:29 PM
This list makes me appreciate the comedian Bill Burr. As a guy, you need to see his stand-up, truly eye opening. When I was in college me and a couple of guys were throwing around a nerf football in the dorm lounge on our floor. An ugly troll of a women walked up to us and said "why don't you little boys play with your ball outside?, this place is for grown ups". As she walked away we noticed that she had a big Winnie The Pooh patch on the back of her stupid denim jacket.....enough said...
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 39 (view)
 
am I the only one or....
Posted: 1/1/2016 1:55:30 AM
I still stand by my statements. I appreciate Ohenry being a peace keeper and trying to understand Swimmer's point of view......but I am not buying it. She is just another OLD-POF sheep trying to erase the facts. You will notice in her statement she does not mention anything about getting messages from guys first or if she is responding to them or not. In her post history she talks about message interactions with men. Well, in her post aimed at me she makes it seem like there is no interaction. So, which is it? And, if she really did send out 150 messages with no responses back, why would she help others with their profiles in a venue that is obviously a joke by her own admission? If an attractive, smart women can't get a response, then us guys are totally screwed. If what she is saying is true, it just proves what I have said all along...OLD is a joke.. and I guess nobody is messaging anyone. No wonder OLD fails.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 31 (view)
 
am I the only one or....
Posted: 12/31/2015 12:21:42 AM
I looked at your profile and it states that you are also a profile reviewer for POF. You state that you have sent out 150 messages with no responses....I call bull sh*t on that one. You seem like an attractive, smart, women,...so don't insult our intelligence. And if what you say is true, then that is sooooo far out of the norm. And...also, if you are getting no responses, then the guys on the site are just fake profiles or your messaging feature is not working. The fact that you do a little work for POF, I will have to call you a liar. And another thing, how can you give profile advice if your own response rate is that low as a women who actually sends out first messages?
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Old, Angry, Bitter and Damaged Goods
Posted: 12/21/2015 9:42:06 AM
I may not agree with the OPs approach but a lot of what he is saying is true. My biggest problem is the hypocrisy.

Awhile back on a different thread a female posted a story about her boyfriend being a D-bag and said he does not take her out, wants her to cook dinner for him while he lays on her couch, and does not walk beside her in public....

A certain female who posts a lot on these forums response post was- " The problem is that you are dating a *typical American man apparently*, someone who wows you in the beginning, then becomes your friend. He was only interested in getting you, and once he got you, all the charm melted away, all he wants to do is "hang out" while you do most of everything on top of "keeping" his d*ck from acquiring blue balls."

The funny thing was,...the couple was not even from the USA....but that is another story. This person stood by her statement as just being about preferences and not about unfairly judging all American men. Now if I would have made a statement about all American women being worthless, people on here would verbally beat me down...right? Well, many female and white knight male posters supported her statements. That my friends tells it all. There is an ongoing theme on here that men can never be at a disadvantage and women are never at fault.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 9 (view)
 
am I the only one or....
Posted: 12/16/2015 9:22:35 AM
Look, the truth about OLD and how it does not work well for men has already been exposed. Studies done by OLD sites themselves have proven this.

1. OKC- Women interviewed and studied on the site concluded that 80% of the guys on the site were unattractive. Guys thought that only 50% of the females were unattractive.

2. Tinder- The average female gets a positive swipe 47% of the time and guys get a positive swipe 17% of the time.

3. If a female sends out a first message she is four times more likely to get a response than when guys send the first message.

4. The average guy has to send out about 114 messages to get a positive response, a women had to send out 25.

5. And many many more stats if you care to look.

Part of the reason for the studies was to determine the causes of men's lack of success on these site. If men were having success then there would be no need to do the studies or release the differences in stats between men and women and stating them as note worthy.

You see....If a system does not favor a particular party then all the numbers would be closer to 50-50 across the board. The truth is obvious. The majority of women are not impressed with the majority of men who are on these sites. That is why women are less likely to message first and that is why guys have to send out tons of messages to get a response.

It is quite simple really...
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 375 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 12/4/2015 8:01:57 AM
a_djentleman - good song. I am not a huge rap fan but I liked the song, the lyrics, and the cool artwork in the video. I understand your frustration with dating. Some people want it all, some don't even know what they want, and some just want what they can't have. The funny thing about some of these posts from the ladies is that they claim to have this superpower that enables them to look at profiles and people and know immediately the character of these people. Yet, when I look at female profiles I constantly see "tired of player, losers," and so on. If they are so good at judging then why the failed relationships?, why the need for a dating site?, and why can't they use the power to find a good guy? Well, one of the reasons is that very few women are proactive, especially with OLD. Another reason, like I stated before, is that they overrate their value and they think the should have a perfect guy. For example a lady on this thread stated that she won't date a guy who plays video games because she hates them. Well, I hate pop music and romantic comedies, but I have dated girls that like those things and it did not change our relationship. Sometimes differences can be a good thing. The whole checklist approach is shallow. It is no different than a guy saying "well she has to be blond, big boobs, skinny, be a great cook, love video games, and be willing to wash my underwear. Well,... put want in one bucket and sh*t in another and see which one fills up first.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 372 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 12/3/2015 11:36:54 PM
Look, when it comes to OLD men will always be easily dismissed. OKC did a study a few years back and found the women they interviewed listed 80% of the men on that site as being unattractive and undesirable. Men looking at women on the other hand was closer to 50-50. Now, the 80% negative response to male profiles has to be because of 1 of 2 reasons. 1- 80% of the men are actually unattractive and undesirable, or 2- The women are overrating their own value. I'm sure if a study came out that stated that men found 80% of women unattractive on a site, the women's response would be "well, what makes you guys so special?", and that would be an appropriate response. So...I ask you ladies, What makes you so special? Oh, besides you telepathy.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 360 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 11/30/2015 11:10:30 PM
^^^^^^
It depends on what you mean by learning from mistakes. Talking with someone or going out a few times and seeing unfavorable traits is way different than not even talking to a person and writing them off right away. You mean to tell me that you can look at every guys profile and know his character. Of course not. That is why OLD is a joke. And..there is a difference between saying "I can't seem to find the good men" or "I don't usually find the good men attractive" and saying, "well, I guess there are no good men left". I see a lot of the same old hypocrisy crap on these forums. I think I'll start a "there are no decent women left thread" and see what the response will be.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 356 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 11/30/2015 6:55:26 AM
Ah....Midnight wrong turn. A photographer with no pictures. Another woman posing as a man I would guess. You can spot this bullsh*t from a mile away. Why are the ones who claim there is no decent men not labeled the whiners? Oh....that's right....I forgot, only women can be at a disadvantage. Predicable. If women came on here and posted their woes and guys chimed in and called them whiners, you clowns would have a hissy fit.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 354 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 11/30/2015 12:35:27 AM
There is an old saying "there once was someone who waited for that one perfect person to love,..when they finally found that perfect person, the person did not love them back because they were not perfect."
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 352 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 11/30/2015 12:24:32 AM
I enjoy when "women-no-progress" responds. She herself stated that women should not have to give more men a chance because women have probably done that and it did not work out well for them because they picked jerks or losers. So....basically it is judging all future guys based on a few past experiences and selections. The more the clowns and white knights type, the smarter I look. I also like the whole "well, the average guys just don't have that attitude the ladies like", and all that other PUA bullsh*t that the white knights claim is not PUA crap. The opinion you guys are dancing around is perfectly clear. - The average man has to be more than average in order to get the average lady.- and -Every guy who is ignored by women is a loser but every girl who has dated a loser is a victim.- I get it,... but at least be honest about it and not try to make guys like me out as sexist because I dare disagree with your avoidance of your own truth.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 108 (view)
 
Online dating women have the upper hand
Posted: 11/24/2015 11:58:17 PM
The men making the first contact thing is not really up for debate. I am sure there are women who send out messages, I am sure there are guys that get messages without having to send any out first. But......that does not mean that these are the norms. There is already tons of statistics out about this, some done by independent studies and some were given by the sites themselves. Most read the same....men make first contact over 80% of the time, for every one message sent by females 20 are sent by males, females are twenty times more likely to get an initial message than men, on average a man will have to send out over a hundred message before a date is scheduled,...so on and so on.... You have to realize the world of OLD is not truly represented in these forums but the truth does becomes more clear when you look at the tendencies of the millions of other people who utilize these sites.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 63 (view)
 
Online dating women have the upper hand
Posted: 11/21/2015 8:11:43 PM
^^^^^^
Wrong

The sun is not very bright.

Women have the upper hand with OLD and there is one fact that always proves it. - Initial contact.- With OLD men make the initial contact about 85% of the time. That means the men have to be proactive and the women can just make choices. If it was an even game the initial contact between the sexes would be closer to 50/50. If women were that discontent with OLD they would ignore their messages, do a search, make the first move, and message the men they like. But...this rarely happens. Maybe they are afraid of rejection and know deep down inside they would not want to trade places with the men in that type of situation...Think about it.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 325 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 11/20/2015 10:41:13 PM
^^^^^^
No,....wrong, her statements prove nothing. If guys came on here and said "well, there are no women on here worth messaging,....sure, some are nice but none of them are attractive enough for me..", you clown would come running in with your pitchforks and torches. She is just basically saying the same thing. She is a princesses waiting for her prince,...and most of the guys are just frogs...some are nice frogs, but frogs none the less. And, if a women messaged me on here or approached me IRL and asked me out and she was at least average, seemed sane, and did not live hours away, I would at least grant her one date. You know why? Because I know it takes stones to ask a person out and I believe that we are too eager to wright people off nowadays. I don't expect women to meet every guy who messages them online,...but give a few a try, you might be surprised. Women who stand back and constantly say "well there is just no one that meets my standards" are not just up their own a** but usually hiding major insecurities...in other words they are cowards. They are afraid of rejection so they reject everyone. Now-that is a dose of reality.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Online dating women have the upper hand
Posted: 11/18/2015 11:41:54 PM
Also....Look at the profile review section. See how many guys are asking for help because of the lack of responses versus women. Keep in mind that men still do most of the pursuing. Studies have shown that with online dating males make the first contact over 80% of the time. The technology has changed but many of the courtship traditions have not. I have some success IRL...OLD is a garbage dump. In my area it is the same ladies that have been on here for years. I guess they have not found mr. right yet....oh well.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Online dating women have the upper hand
Posted: 11/18/2015 11:26:09 PM
I posted this before, so here we go again.

Listen people, there are 4 main reasons why online dating does not work well for a lot of men.

1. Unbalanced ratios. In many age groups and areas there are more men who are active on a site than women. It is important to understand that inactive people don't really count. Females who are actually on the site frequently looking at matches and reading messages are the only ones that matter. If they are not active with the profile, it is like not having one at all. In an area where the guys out number the ladies 2-1 on a dating sight, even if every woman in that area decided to pair up with a guy from the site, that would still leave 50% of the guys empty handed....And that is a best case situation.

2. It makes guys look desperate. Studies have shown that women find men who pronounce their interests too early as being unattractive. Most women prefer a more gradual approach and a sort of give and take in the initial flirting stages. The fact that you are a guy using a dating sight is already like having one foot in the grave. Any lady that receives a message is looking at it as an instant declaration of your intention.

3. The lack of verbal and nonverbal communication. Men can be more visual than women, not that women don't look at appearance, but men are more likely to form a positive opinion with just a few pictures. Women are more tuned into other parts of physical attraction like eye contact, movement, and differing facial expressions. Having an actual verbal conversation is also more important to women. These facts are why a guy who may not be the most attractive can have a hard time online because a profile cannot always showcase other charms and positive attributes that he might have.

4. More and more women see OLD as a hostile environment. With more men being perverted and responding to women in a negative fashion as well as guys not always being honest, this has made women more hesitant to trust guys online. So,... even if you do have a great profile, many may not truly believe the information to be a true representation.

I am sure there are more reasons why OLD sucks for men and women but this is my list for the main reasons in regards to my fellow dudes.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 316 (view)
 
Why do us men even bother at this point? Let us withdraw.
Posted: 11/12/2015 10:29:13 AM
One of the reasons parental involvement is key is the fact that the age range crucial for good development is 0 to 3 years old. In these early years if a child is under stimulated or in a hectic environment it can have lasting negative effects on behavior and cognition. When a baby is born their mind is mostly a blank canvas taking in everything. I am sure those who have children know that their little personalities develop before they even get to the school environment.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 12 (view)
 
What kind of response rates are other guys seeing here?
Posted: 11/5/2015 9:17:56 AM
well OP this is a common problem.....

I posted this before, so here we go again.

Listen people, there are 4 main reasons why online dating does not work well for a lot of men.

1. Unbalanced ratios. In many age groups and areas there are more men who are active on a site than women. It is important to understand that inactive people don't really count. Females who are actually on the site frequently looking at matches and reading messages are the only ones that matter. If they are not active with the profile, it is like not having one at all. In an area where the guys out number the ladies 2-1 on a dating sight, even if every woman in that area decided to pair up with a guy from the site, that would still leave 50% of the guys empty handed....And that is a best case situation.

2. It makes guys look desperate. Studies have shown that women find men who pronounce their interests too early as being unattractive. Most women prefer a more gradual approach and a sort of give and take in the initial flirting stages. The fact that you are a guy using a dating sight is already like having one foot in the grave. Any lady that receives a message is looking at it as an instant declaration of your intention.

3. The lack of verbal and nonverbal communication. Men can be more visual than women, not that women don't look at appearance, but men are more likely to form a positive opinion with just a few pictures. Women are more tuned into other parts of physical attraction like eye contact, movement, and differing facial expressions. Having an actual verbal conversation is also more important to women. These facts are why a guy who may not be the most attractive can have a hard time online because a profile cannot always showcase other charms and positive attributes that he might have.

4. More and more women see OLD as a hostile environment. With more men being perverted and responding to women in a negative fashion as well as guys not always being honest, this has made women more hesitant to trust guys online. So,... even if you do have a great profile, many may not truly believe the information to be a true representation.

I am sure there are more reasons why OLD sucks for men and women but this is my list for the main reasons in regards to my fellow dudes.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 90 (view)
 
men and wanting nothing serious
Posted: 10/29/2015 9:12:19 AM
I like that some of you are having disagreements about this subject. It only proves what I have been saying all along. Many guys today are put in a lose-lose situation when trying to date. If they are not assertive or aggressive they can get labeled a "nice guy", (which is a bull sh*t concept anyway), but if they refuse to play by the rules set by the ladies they are labeled a jerk or a d-bag. It is clear to me that many ladies view themselves as princesses and most men as frogs,...and the ladies are in search for this elusive "perfect gentleman" I have been hearing about in another thread. Give me a fu*king break already. The problem is that people are not looking for soulmates today, they are looking for role-mates,.... a person who fits this idealistic (and often unrealistic) role.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 54 (view)
 
Marilyn Monroe was a size 14. Are curves beautiful?
Posted: 10/22/2015 8:27:33 AM
I think Mindy Kaling is cute and she is curvy. I think that ladies with some meat on their bones can be very sexy and I know a lot of guys that feel the same way.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 258 (view)
 
Are there any gentlemen out there?
Posted: 10/19/2015 11:17:57 PM
Alright crook catcher...I am going to put this in a way that you can understand. You are or were a cop...right? Now,.. we know that on rare occasions a police person may do something wrong or do something that is not popular with some people. If people stated that a cop caught up in a controversial situation was known as a "good cop", meaning they always had a good clean record of service and had no incidents, others who are not big fans of police could use that term "good cop" in a negative and sarcastic way. When incidents of police misconduct occur these people might say, "yep, let me guess? another "good cop" beat that poor unarmed man", so on and so on. The goal of these people would be to attach a negative meaning to "good cop" as a way to not only address negative situations but also to paint a negative view of the IDEA of a "good cop". To explain it further for you....they would be more interested in creating a blanketed negative view rather than looking at individual situations.

This whole "nice guy" thing is the same situation. If a guy is manipulative, fake, and predatory, he is not a nice guy..... If the phrase "good cop" was hijacked and turned into a negative meaning...would it not be unfair to all cops?......correct?
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 254 (view)
 
Are there any gentlemen out there?
Posted: 10/19/2015 7:55:38 AM
I know the statement I made about the cats and the golden girls was an unfair sexist stereotype. But,... it was also a trap. I knew that it would get some responses and also prove a point. This whole "nice guy" stuff that is being put up on here also contains many unfair stereotypes. The "nice guy" is just another boogieman that some women have created to further justify their hatred of most men. This "nice guy" seems to be everything from just being a wimp to being this perverted predator that lurks waiting for his poor female victim to become vulnerable. If guys came on here and said..."These "nice girls"...don't trust them, they just want your money and to destroy your soul. Many of you would instantly attack these guys, and rightfully so. When females spew bullsh*t on here they are applauded for it. People are much more diverse and are not easily placed in just one box. Another stereotype is that when men disagree with you clowns, they must automatically be disliked by women. That could not be further from the truth. I have dated more than my share of beautiful women and I have many female friends.

And... crooked catcher...you are not batman,...more like Harvey Dent.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 251 (view)
 
Are there any gentlemen out there?
Posted: 10/15/2015 10:36:53 AM
Oh, and BTW, if there are these great "true gentlemen" out there, won't they already be swarmed with women,... and they would definitely not need a dating site.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 250 (view)
 
Are there any gentlemen out there?
Posted: 10/15/2015 10:29:56 AM
One might ask, "Are there any good women left out there?", but I think that would be too sexist. The whole "true gentleman" and "nice guy" stuff is just a bunch of bull sh*t. It is an indirect way of saying that most guys are jerks, wimps, losers, and perverts, and there is only a few select "true gentleman" out there to choose from. Of course there are going to be guys who feed into this crap by placing there fists on their hips like superman and saying "And...yes...I am that true gentleman you seek!!!". Give me a fuc*ing break. Obvious there is not going to be enough of these "true gentlemen" to go around....so have fun with your 50 cats and reruns of the golden girls....
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 1081 (view)
 
You can fiddle with the griddle, just don't diddle in the middle of the piddle
Posted: 9/16/2015 8:49:51 PM
Like I just posted in another forum thread.. The ladies like the dazzlers but these guys often turn out to be the players and fakes. A lot of average women think they are above the average guy. That's okay because they usually get burned in the end. It is no different than the guys who like the easy bimbos. The players and bimbos are both good at attracting the opposite sex, so they will continue to play the field until their market value decreases.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 185 (view)
 
Are men genuinely 'actively seeking a relationship'?
Posted: 9/16/2015 8:39:50 PM
^^^^^^
True....OLD is a waist of time for most guys. A great deal of women on POF are waiting to be dazzled but the dazzlers are usually the pick up artists or fakes. Instead of admitting they are picking the wrong guys they simply conclude that most of the guys on here are jerks and losers. Maybe that's true.....for both genders.
 patchjoker13
Joined: 8/24/2014
Msg: 89 (view)
 
The current online dating climate is the worst I have seen in the years I have been using it...
Posted: 9/8/2015 7:16:41 AM
^^^^^^^
You got that right. With all the crazy man and women using OLD, the normal people just get lost in the crowd.
 
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